So you think he was being nice huh?

[Welpe]

He's missing one very important point about drawing a technical. It's half way to getting sent to the showers plus he gets seat belted. I'm sure there are coaches that get T'd up on purpose but there are some unintended consequences to the approach he's advocating.

It'd be wildly entertaining to have a coach take his advice, go way too far and get a Flagrant T. "What do you mean I'm ejected? This guy on the internet said it'd be only two shots!"

[Rooster]

Wow. Just wow. I had a feeling I should have stopped reading after the title. EVERY call, huh?

[BktBallRef]

I posted a comment. it has to be approved by Coach Mac before it will appear.

I can hardy wait to see if he posts it or what his reply might be.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I posted a comment. it has to be approved by Coach Mac before it will appear.

I can hardy wait to see if he posts it or what his reply might be.

Could you share your reply with us?

[Coach Bill]

Many of you insult his credentials and level "Coach Mac" coached at, but I think the article is clearly written for beginner coaches and youth league coaches (where they do have the opportunity shake hands). In fact his whole website seems to be for beginner coaches. I don't envision high school coaches going to his site for advice. And, I think most of the advice he gives seems like good common sense. And, it probably would work to some degree with the officials in the youth leagues, many of which are youths themselves.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Many of you insult his credentials and level "Coach Mac" coached at, but I think the article is clearly written for beginner coaches and youth league coaches (where they do have the opportunity shake hands). In fact his whole website seems to be for beginner coaches. I don't envision high school coaches going to his site for advice. And, I think most of the advice he gives seems like good common sense. And, it probably would work to some degree with the officials in the youth leagues, many of which are youths themselves.

We meet with coaches before the game to introduce ourselves and shake hands, and there have been plenty of times after games where a coach has shook my hand (although it wasn't because I was sticking around, they just caught me on my way to the locker room). Doing that is not just a "lower level" thing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

We meet with coaches before the game to introduce ourselves and shake hands, and there have been plenty of times after games where a coach has shook my hand (although it wasn't because I was sticking around, they just caught me on my way to the locker room). Doing that is not just a "lower level" thing.

Probably regional, but this doesn't happen around here. I'm normally in the locker room before the teams have left the court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Many of you insult his credentials and level "Coach Mac" coached at, but I think the article is clearly written for beginner coaches and youth league coaches (where they do have the opportunity shake hands). In fact his whole website seems to be for beginner coaches. I don't envision high school coaches going to his site for advice. And, I think most of the advice he gives seems like good common sense. And, it probably would work to some degree with the officials in the youth leagues, many of which are youths themselves.

Coach Bill, this is just like an official telling officials to say i the pre-game meeting, "The black mark is out all the way around the count." It shows a lack of understanding higher levels of ball if that is part of your pre-game routine. To suggest someone shake hands after a game, shows that that person has probably never done many high school or varsity and higher games. Every one of those levels officials do not stick around long enough to shake hands. And if he is dealing with beginning coaches, then he is not giving them very good advice. I run a beginning officials class for basketball (and teach one for football) and we do not tell the new officials to do things that are bad habits or that will not carry them through their career. We teach them things that will make them look like a varsity or college offiical by nothing more than their actions and how they speak. And many youth league officials in my experience are not kids, they are adults that also work high school. Actually the youth ball is to make some easy money. Doing these things not only might get you "taught" it might get you with a guy that really is not thinking about you that deep in the first place for any of these things to work as stated in the article. At least in my state, it is not kids that are working these games. It is older guys in their 40s and 50s that are just getting into officiating because their kids played and now are in college and they are looking for something to do.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Many of you insult his credentials and level "Coach Mac" coached at, but I think the article is clearly written for beginner coaches and youth league coaches (where they do have the opportunity shake hands). In fact his whole website seems to be for beginner coaches. I don't envision high school coaches going to his site for advice. And, I think most of the advice he gives seems like good common sense. And, it probably would work to some degree with the officials in the youth leagues, many of which are youths themselves.

Honestly, that makes it even worse for me. Beginning level coaches should coach, and not worry about trying to win friends and influence officials.

The ball they're coaching is going to get officials who, for the most part, fall into one of two categories.
1. Beginners who may actually get flustered by getting "worked" too much. This won't always go the way the coach wants it to.
2. Veterans working to shake off some rust or to "give back." These vets aren't likely to put up with being "worked" by some rookie coach who learned some great tactics from Caoch Carnegie.

Beginning coaches can work on communication with officials, to be sure, but don't go in with the mindset that it can affect the calls. Do it with the mindset to learn more about the game (beginning officials should approach coach communication the same way, IMO).

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by Adam

Beginning level coaches should coach, and not worry about trying to win friends and influence officials.

Beginners who may actually get flustered by getting "worked" too much. This won't always go the way the coach wants it to.

Agree 100% with the first statement. In rec leagues and summer ball too many parent/part-time coaches act as if their auditioning for the NBA. They would win more games if they worked their pkayers as hard as they work the refs.

I've seen this backfire on a coach who yelled at a young ref to watch for three seconds and he went down the court and called one against the coach's team. As a newby there was only so much he could concentrate on but once that seed was planted he got it right away!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

He's missing one very important point about drawing a technical. It's half way to getting sent to the showers plus he gets seat belted. I'm sure there are coaches that get T'd up on purpose but there are some unintended consequences to the approach he's advocating.

It'd be wildly entertaining to have a coach take his advice, go way too far and get a Flagrant T. "What do you mean I'm ejected? This guy on the internet said it'd be only two shots!"

Or even better, he gets one technical after the other. That would be great too. Now he/sh is ejected and he/she just gave their team 2 more shots and lost the ball. That is a possible 7 point swing.

And many times when coaches get ejected, they act like we have to tolerate everything they do after the first one. Good luck with that one.

Peace

[rsl]

I don't like number 2. I know a lot of coaches, and I don't mind them calling me by my first name. But when a guy I just met starts repeating my name during the game, it is just annoying.