Wisconsin-Arizona Player Control Foul (Video)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have the defender initiating the contact, so if I have a whistle, it's going to be a block early. If I don't put a whistle on that, I'm not calling a PC on A1 for the subsequent push-off.

That's a really poor argument.
You can't justify not penalizing an act which is clearly illegal because you either couldn't determine the legality of an action which preceeded it or simply failed to properly penalize an earlier action.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's a really poor argument.
You can't justify not penalizing an act which is clearly illegal because you either couldn't determine the legality of an action which preceeded it or simply failed to properly penalize an earlier action.

If the contact did not displace the dribbler, then it is not a foul. The only displacement in this play is when the dribbler/shooter, extended his arm. If he does not do that, then it might be easier to call a foul on the defender. Then again, that is if you believe the defender was not in a legal position. You can certainly argue that was the case.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's a really poor argument.
You can't justify not penalizing an act which is clearly illegal because you either couldn't determine the legality of an action which preceeded it or simply failed to properly penalize an earlier action.

Yes I can, because I should have penalized the initial illegal contact by the defender. Why would it be more egregious to not penalize A1's actions?

It's not like we're talking about acts that happened 10 seconds apart or on separate plays. There's a body bump followed immediately by a push-off. Put your whistle on the initial illegal act.

That body bump is a foul on every single NCAA-Men's video John Adams has put out this season.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes I can, because I should have penalized the initial illegal contact by the defender. Why would it be more egregious to not penalize A1's actions?

It's not like we're talking about acts that happened 10 seconds apart or on separate plays. There's a body bump followed immediately by a push-off. Put your whistle on the initial illegal act.

That body bump is a foul on every single NCAA-Men's video John Adams has put out this season.

Question: per NCAA directives, would the contact by the defender be a foul on its own? Tough to get a true answer since we know the situation and entire play, but it is a good question.

[Raymond]

Tom, IMO that contact has been emphasized as a foul by the NCAA all year.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Tom, IMO that contact has been emphasized as a foul by the NCAA all year.

IMO too

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

tom, imo that contact has been emphasized as a foul by the ncaa all year.

+1

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Tom, IMO that contact has been emphasized as a foul by the NCAA all year.

But I did not see displacement by the defender or any RSBQ that took place on the ball handler. I saw displacement by the push off though.

And It is not a slam dunk either way. I think this is just one of those tough plays we have take place. If the Arizona player does not extend his arm, he probably gets a foul. Or at least there is a no call.

Peace