PC, Block or No-Call (video)

[Bad Zebra]

Block...defenders legs were real wide...he looks like he flopped...then tripped the shooter.

[just another ref]

I don't think there's any question that the defender exaggerated, but I think there was significant contact which was definitely initiated by the shooter.

[just another ref]

Too many still believe this:

It can't be a charge because nobody fell down.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Block...defenders legs were real wide...he looks like he flopped...then tripped the shooter.

Who cares? The contact happened on the torso.

[Camron Rust]

Defense had LGP. Offense created contact. BUT, that contact was not enough to send the defender down like that. The defender took himself out of the play by flopping. Therefore, it can't be a PC.

[ballgame99]

PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?

[HawkeyeCubP]

I'm in the PC camp. But barely.

[zm1283]

Nothing, but would not criticize anyone who called a block.

That was the definition of embellishment by the defender. He acts like he got RTFO and he barely got bumped.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?

Play is either a PC or nothing. The defender was legal and did nothing wrong, including falling down.
The Lead needs to determine whether the defender was knocked down or fell down trying to draw a whistle. That is his judgment call to make.
I'd have a big problem with either the C or T overriding his judgment and coming in with a call here. The Lead obviously has a good look at the play and doesn't need help.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Play is either a PC or nothing. The defender was legal and did nothing wrong, including falling down.
The Lead needs to determine whether the defender was knocked down or fell down trying to draw a whistle. That is his judgment call to make.
I'd have a big problem with either the C or T overriding his judgment and coming in with a call here. The Lead obviously has a good look at the play and doesn't need help.

I do agree with this. I don't think many guys I work with would care for the C coming in to get this when it's right in front of the Lead.

[stick]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?

That might be because the C was too far back to get the best view of the play. The L was right there in pristine position. You pose a good question though. Working with two officials last night that I never worked with before we discussed this very thing in our pre-game. We suggested the L should make that call but if the play is on the side of the C it's his call. It's OK if a double whistle in which case they look to each other to determine the primary and then the call is made.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Block...defenders legs were real wide...

I don't think that matters in this case.