PC, Block or No-Call (video)

[JetMetFan]

Thoughts...?

[just another ref]

Pc

[JRutledge]

Looks like a flop. I think I have a block considering the flop ended up tripping the player.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Looks like a flop. I think I have a block considering the flop ended up tripping the player.

Peace

My thoughts as well. I also think the C could've picked up the block - or at least been more comfortable calling it - if he'd been at the FTLE as opposed to above the top of the key. Regardless, I don't think this was a play on.

[OKREF]

PC, if I have a call.defense emblished some.

[Bad Zebra]

Block...defenders legs were real wide...he looks like he flopped...then tripped the shooter.

[Pantherdreams]

Not to start a storm here but in order:

1) I've got a PC. Player was in proper guarding position and offense intitated the contact. This has been something I've been looking at in therms of my officaiting and in games I can get ape of. IME, If we don't get these and call them charges you end up with the majority of 50/50 calls turn into 80/20 calls. Where defense gets called for the block at least 1/2 the time or more when trying to draw and charge and then no called to the point where only the most extreme pc's get called and they only get a charge go 10-20% of the time.

2) Even if you don't think the contact is enough to have caused him to go down and want to no call it, IMO, that is not flopping. I equate the term flopping with faking being fouled, he isn't faking contact that doesn't exist and as the defender is allowed to move backwards and absorb contact/protect themselves. If he doesn't want to stand there until you make the kid collapse his chest that's not faking being fouled.

[bainsey]

The Oscars were last night. #24 black wasn't nominated.

[just another ref]

I don't think there's any question that the defender exaggerated, but I think there was significant contact which was definitely initiated by the shooter.

[just another ref]

Too many still believe this:

It can't be a charge because nobody fell down.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Block...defenders legs were real wide...he looks like he flopped...then tripped the shooter.

Who cares? The contact happened on the torso.

[Camron Rust]

Defense had LGP. Offense created contact. BUT, that contact was not enough to send the defender down like that. The defender took himself out of the play by flopping. Therefore, it can't be a PC.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

From the angle of this replay, easiest block call of the day. With a terrible angle, somebody might take the bait and call PC. Only 100% wrong call is a no call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

IMO, that is not flopping. I equate the term flopping with faking being fouled, he isn't faking contact that doesn't exist and as the defender is allowed to move backwards and absorb contact/protect themselves. If he doesn't want to stand there until you make the kid collapse his chest that's not faking being fouled.

Flopping isn't only faking contact, it is also faking the amount of contact in an attempt to make the contact look worse than it was.....which is what this defender did.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Flopping isn't only faking contact, it is also faking the amount of contact in an attempt to make the contact look worse than it was.....which is what this defender did.

True, but there's no rule against this. It may be counterproductive, but it's not illegal.