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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 04:59pm
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PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 06:08pm
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I'm in the PC camp. But barely.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 06:52pm
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Nothing, but would not criticize anyone who called a block.

That was the definition of embellishment by the defender. He acts like he got RTFO and he barely got bumped.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 06:53pm
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PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?
Play is either a PC or nothing. The defender was legal and did nothing wrong, including falling down.
The Lead needs to determine whether the defender was knocked down or fell down trying to draw a whistle. That is his judgment call to make.
I'd have a big problem with either the C or T overriding his judgment and coming in with a call here. The Lead obviously has a good look at the play and doesn't need help.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 06:59pm
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Play is either a PC or nothing. The defender was legal and did nothing wrong, including falling down.
The Lead needs to determine whether the defender was knocked down or fell down trying to draw a whistle. That is his judgment call to make.
I'd have a big problem with either the C or T overriding his judgment and coming in with a call here. The Lead obviously has a good look at the play and doesn't need help.
I do agree with this. I don't think many guys I work with would care for the C coming in to get this when it's right in front of the Lead.
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Old Tue Mar 04, 2014, 01:41pm
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PC. Embellishment yes, but overembellishment (aka: flop) no. I've no-called over embellishments before, but I think I would have PC'd this play.

L is looking right at it though, and C let him take/not take it. If you are that L, do you have a problem with a C who came in and got that one?
That might be because the C was too far back to get the best view of the play. The L was right there in pristine position. You pose a good question though. Working with two officials last night that I never worked with before we discussed this very thing in our pre-game. We suggested the L should make that call but if the play is on the side of the C it's his call. It's OK if a double whistle in which case they look to each other to determine the primary and then the call is made.
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