Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[Texas Aggie]

he doesn't have the means to move from one neighborhood to another

Either you have no clue what I'm talking about (or what you're talking about for that matter) or you're being a clown. Parents move for their kid's athletic purpose. Its happened quite a bit. In Texas, it is a violation of UIL rules. Anyway, I doubt the parent does it without the full cooperation and knowledge of the kid. In Smart's situation, he actually lived with a teammate at the new HS for a while -- and not his own family. If I were you, I would refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't know the facts on. If you needed some clarification, please ask.

The relevance it has to the situation -- and I really can't believe I have to spell this out -- is that given this incident is a question of credibility -- what Smart said vs. what the fan said, my point was that Smart's past tended to point to some possible credibility issues. You can of course make your own decision, but to suggest his past is not relevant to his propensity to tell the truth is absolutely absurd.

[JRutledge]

It is illegal under many state rules to move for athletic reasons. But we all know that no one has to tell anyone why they move. If they do all the things BNR says, you can move. And if I want to go to another house or go work in another community, it is hard to tell anyone they cannot do that. Or better yet, how are you going to prove that was the reasonsing? Parents are doing to do what is best for their kids, even if it is not technically legal under some elgibility rules.

Peace

[deecee]

[QUOTE=Texas Aggie;922235]I doubt the parent does it without the full cooperation and knowledge of the kid.[QUOTE]

Since when are the decisions of adults and parents determined by the will of the kids? I don't disagree that parents do this kind of stuff. But the penalty should be levied on the school district, i.e. loss of games, etc. If a parent is willing to uproot a whole family, and buy a house/and or move to a new city, who cares what the reason is. That's my point. Texas takes HS sports way to serious, and its just as corrupt as the NCAA.

But I don't imagine many adults making a decision based on what their kids thought was best.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Either you have no clue what I'm talking about (or what you're talking about for that matter) or you're being a clown. Parents move for their kid's athletic purpose. Its happened quite a bit. In Texas, it is a violation of UIL rules. Anyway, I doubt the parent does it without the full cooperation and knowledge of the kid. In Smart's situation, he actually lived with a teammate at the new HS for a while -- and not his own family. If I were you, I would refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't know the facts on. If you needed some clarification, please ask.

The relevance it has to the situation -- and I really can't believe I have to spell this out -- is that given this incident is a question of credibility -- what Smart said vs. what the fan said, my point was that Smart's past tended to point to some possible credibility issues. You can of course make your own decision, but to suggest his past is not relevant to his propensity to tell the truth is absolutely absurd.

His credibility is affected by decisions made by his parents to move to another residence, or to pull him out of a school and enroll him in another school?

Sorry, but my 15 year-old can not switch schools, I make that decision. My 15 year-old most definitely can't just move to a new residence.

I've had to move both my sons to different schools (without moving). My kids had ZERO input on the matters. Those decisions included switching their legal residence from one parent to the other, even though no actual changes were made to our custody arrangements. Say we did it for sports-related reasons. So because my ex' and I made some decisions about school enrollment, our sons' credibility comes into question when they are sophomores in college? Wow!!!

And I'm being a clown?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Either you have no clue what I'm talking about (or what you're talking about for that matter) or you're being a clown. Parents move for their kid's athletic purpose. Its happened quite a bit. In Texas, it is a violation of UIL rules. Anyway, I doubt the parent does it without the full cooperation and knowledge of the kid. In Smart's situation, he actually lived with a teammate at the new HS for a while -- and not his own family. If I were you, I would refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't know the facts on. If you needed some clarification, please ask.

The relevance it has to the situation -- and I really can't believe I have to spell this out -- is that given this incident is a question of credibility -- what Smart said vs. what the fan said, my point was that Smart's past tended to point to some possible credibility issues. You can of course make your own decision, but to suggest his past is not relevant to his propensity to tell the truth is absolutely absurd.

While I'll agree that circumventing the rules is problematic, I disagree that it has relevance. It's something he did as a kid, under the guidance of adults who should have known better. It has no bearing whatsoever on his credibility on this matter.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

For an example of a kid who's family moved prior to his 8th grade year, the NFL backup QB Chase Daniel of (???). I forgot where he is now. Moved to the Southlake school district, played for SL Carroll, went to Mizzou, and is now in the NFL. There was no UIL issue.

Kansas City Chiefs.

Originally Posted by Adam

While I'll agree that circumventing the rules is problematic, I disagree that it has relevance. It's something he did as a kid, under the guidance of adults who should have known better. It has no bearing whatsoever on his credibility on this matter.

I agree. It's quite the stretch to think that his reason for moving schools in high school has anything to do with this incident.

And I also agree that he is responsible for keeping his cool when idiot fans try to provoke him. The fan is obviously a loose cannon and thinks he can get away with whatever verbal taunts he wants, but Smart can't do what he did and not expect to be punished. (I don't think he expected that, just saying)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Kansas City Chiefs.



I agree. It's quite the stretch to think that his reason for moving schools in high school has anything to do with this incident.

And I also agree that he is responsible for keeping his cool when idiot fans try to provoke him. The fan is obviously a loose cannon and thinks he can get away with whatever verbal taunts he wants, but Smart can't do what he did and not expect to be punished. (I don't think he expected that, just saying)

On the flip side. Maybe the fear of having a 6'4" athlete in his prime confront him for acting like such a moron might put the fear of God into him. I'm not condoning the actions of Smart, regardless of what the idiot said, but a loose cannon going off every now and then might not be a bad thing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

... but a loose cannon going off every now and then might not be a bad thing.

It works with coaches.