Texas vs Texas Tech Play

[carldog]

Last night, Texas player (named Royal Ivy) drives the lane hard, then releases a shot, then crashes into Texas Tech defender, then the ball goes in. Bang-bang play, followed by a Train Wreck in the lane.

Refs rule that Bucket is good, and that Tech Defender shoots one-and-one.

Must be that Tech defender had legal guarding position, and since the attempted basket ends Player Control and Team Control, Texas player's crash into Tech defender was just a common foul, and Tech player shoots one-and-one because Texas is over the foul limit.

Good call, right guys?

But in high school, same play would be airborne shooter Player Control Foul, no basket, no foul shots for defender, regardless of the number of team fouls.

Whew. Is this right?

[JRutledge]

In NCAA Men's rules, this was the proper ruling. They do not have an airborne shooter the same as NF. If the shooter has released the ball before the contact (PC contact I am talking about), then you have to count the basket. If it is before, you do not count the basket.

It is just a difference.

Peace

[DownTownTonyBrown]

NFHS should be the same as was done during this college game. Shot ended when ball went through hoop and shooter was back on the floor. The ensuing trainwreck is after the shot and may need to be penalized.

Had similar action happen about a week ago. Kid drove the lane and made a lay-up. Defender came in from the side and wiped the shooter out after the shot was completed. Partner called the foul and gave the ball back to the team that had just scored (no bonus yet). If it had been a bonus situation we would have awarded the two points for the shot and then awarded the appropriate number of free throws for the foul.

[carldog]

Remember, this was a very quick, bang-bang play. Offense releases shot and immediately - while still airborne - creams the stationary defender. Shooter returned to the floor in a heap..on top of defender.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by carldog
Remember, this was a very quick, bang-bang play. Offense releases shot and immediately - while still airborne - creams the stationary defender. Shooter returned to the floor in a heap..on top of defender.

It does not matter how quick it happen. If the release happen before the contact, the basket has to count. This would not be the case in NFHS or Women's NCAA Rules, but it is the case under the Men's code.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
NFHS should be the same as was done during this college game. Shot ended when ball went through hoop and shooter was back on the floor. The ensuing trainwreck is after the shot and may need to be penalized.

The play you describe is completely different than what was originally described.

In your play, the ball is dead. No foul, unless I or F.

Apparently, the officials on the game didn't see it that way either, since they gave the shots.

[ChuckElias]

Just to be clear, Carl, everything you wrote in the initial post is correct. The NCAA guys handled it correctly; and you also described the right way to do it by FED rules.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

You're right Bob we did it wrong! 4-19-1 Note and 6-1-2 and 6-7-1