Lack of effort

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JetMetFan: Well stated. You get it. Why can't others?

Originally Posted by APG

Why are you surprised when something is acceptable in your area of the country...is frowned upon in most parts of the country at the high school level (at the very least at the varsity level)...hell most of the officiating community?

Or, instead push everyone to accept you and your belt, why not just accept that in some areas it is looked down upon? You don't live in those areas, why should you care? I've been on this forum a year now and have probably seen 30 posts defending your belt. That's about 29 more than I would want to see.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Or, instead push everyone to accept you and your belt, why not just accept that in some most areas it is looked down upon? ...

Slight correction.

Still, though

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

...push everyone to accept you and your belt, why not just accept that in some areas it is looked down upon?

I have always accepted the "dress code" in other areas. What I can't accept is the refusal of some Forum members to accept the dress code in my little corner of Connecticut. Some members seem to imply that "When in Rome ..." works for everywhere accept my little corner of Connecticut.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I have always accepted the "dress code" in other areas. What I can't accept is the refusal of some Forum members to accept the dress code in my little corner of Connecticut. Some members seem to imply that "When in Rome ..." works for everywhere accept my little corner of Connecticut.

So younger and newer officials wear belts?

And every time you buy new pants, you order them with belt loops?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So younger and newer officials wear belts?

And every time you buy new pants, you order them with belt loops?

This is the part I don't understand. Do officiating supply stores even SELL belted pants anymore? Or are people just buying slacks from Penneys?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is the part I don't understand. Do officiating supply stores even SELL belted pants anymore? Or are people just buying slacks from Penneys?

No they do not, at least not as a featured part of their uniform line. If you do find pants with loops, you probably looked hard on their website to find them.

Even back 18 years ago, I had to go to Wal-mart to buy a pair of pants to referee my first few games, not knowing or being familiar with the main officiating supply stores. When I saw everyone was wearing pants without a belt, I jumped on the bandwagon and realized that what you wear is a reflection of your professionalism. I guess some will never understand that point of view.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is the part I don't understand. Do officiating supply stores even SELL belted pants anymore? Or are people just buying slacks from Penneys?

Haggar.

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So younger and newer officials wear belts?

And every time you buy new pants, you order them with belt loops?

Where I work we're allowed to wear jeans every day if we want, but guess what none of the people in the offices with the big paychecks wear them Monday thru Thursday so neither do I because that's where I want to be. I could say the same about officiating (even though it's not acceptable to wear them here that I know of), but even if it was they don't wear the belts where I want to go. Dress for the job you want, anywhere in life not just officiating.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

Dress for the job you want, anywhere in life not just officiating.

Belts, or no belts, have absolutely no impact on our peer ratings, or rankings, which impact the number, and level, of games that we are assigned by our assignment commissioner. State tournament assignments are assigned according to coaches voting, and I can assure you, they don't give a damn if an official wears a belt, or not, as long as they do a great job calling the game on the court.

An ill fitting, sloppy, dirty, wrinkled, uniform, or jacket, worn scuffed shoes, or shoes with any white on them, will have negative impact on your peer rating (appearance counts 10%), which, in turn, will negatively impact one's ranking, and the number, and level, of games that one is assigned by our assignment commissioner.

Showing up for a game in uniform, or not showing up wearing business casual, will usually have negative impact on your peer rating, which, in turn, will negatively impact one's ranking, and the number, and level, of games that one is assigned by our assignment commissioner.

Think of belts, or no belts, in my little corner of Connecticut, the same as Smitty lanyards, or noose lanyards, in most other parts of the country.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So younger and newer officials wear belts?

They can if they want to, but most young'uns, emulating the college guys, chose to wear beltless slacks. During the floor training of "cadets" that just passed the written test, they are told that they can wear belted, or beltless slacks, as long as the belt is a black belt, just like the IAABO manual states. Most "belted" officials are grizzled veterans, like myself. When IAABO, on some level, international, state, or local, decides that belts are out, then I'll just buy some beltless slacks.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

They can if they want to, but most young'uns chose to wear beltless slacks. During the floor training of "cadets" that just passed the written test, they are told that they can wear belted, or beltless slacks, as long as the belt is a black belt, just like the IAABO manual states. Most "belted" officials are grizzled veterans, like myself. When IAABO, on some level, international, state, or local, decides that belts are out, then I'll just buy some beltless slacks.

I don't get the big deal. It's black pants. If a black belt is worn who cares. The uniform is black pants, black shoes, striped shirt. I'd rather an official be able to officiate.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

If a black belt is worn who cares.

In my little corner of Connecticut, we would all agree with you. But some obviously do care (just read this, and similar threads). It depends on which Rome you officiate in. We don't care one way, or the other, in my Rome. And in other Romes? They do what they do. Everybody has different standards. Basketball officiating, at least on the high school level, is not under any single universal umbrella.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't get the big deal. It's black pants. If a black belt is worn who cares. The uniform is black pants, black shoes, striped shirt. I'd rather an official be able to officiate.

You cannot work at most jobs if you are not in what is seen as professional. So yes, how you do your job is actually only part of officiating like it is in other jobs or professions. One of the reasons Rex Ryan who is the DC or the Saints is probably not going to get a HC job in most cities until he cuts his hair.

Peace