You Decide (Clip)

[APG]

Originally Posted by SWKS

Because by definition it is a PC and not a block again another reference (4-7) and tell my how the "heck" someone can watch it three times and not call it a PC

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b. If a guard has obtained a legal guarding position, the player with the ball must get his/her head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player. If contact occurs on the torso of the defensive player, the dribbler is responsible for the contact.

Now I know a player control foul doesn't require contact directly in the torso, but you highlight this portion when the contact is shoulder to shoulder. You should have highlighted A if you were trying to make your point.

[SWKS]

Originally Posted by APG

Now I know a player control foul doesn't require contact directly in the torso, but you highlight this portion when the contact is shoulder to shoulder. You should have highlighted A if you were trying to make your point.

Yes I do highlight it because she was in the path and the offensive player would have hit her in the torso had she not moved from the imminent contact which is legal.

I believe from my angle she is in LGP. She is in the path of the offensive player. It would be better if we were in the same position as the Lead in the video because I believe that is why he called PC.

It looks like a block in real time but I believe by definition and viewing "3" times or more that it is PC.

If you pause the video when contact is made, the defensive player is moving backward or in the same direction as the offensive player. The offensive player is not displaced and does not have her head and shoulders past the torso of the defender. Again by rule then it is a PC foul and not a block.

[Raymond]

By rule a defender cannot turn their shoulder into a ball-handler and still be legal.

[bob jenkins]

I'm very confused by the shoulder comments. I don't see B1 turning the shoulder into the offense; I see B1 turning the shoulder in front of A1 and that's where the contact is.

I think the call (no matter which you have) would be the same whether B1 turns or not (in this play).

[SmokeEater]

In the moment I don't have a problem with either call. Both can be easily justified by rule and it would depend on the officials interpretation of the guarding players LGP and positioning on the court. From the angle we have in the video it is made much harder to say for certain.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm very confused by the shoulder comments. I don't see B1 turning the shoulder into the offense; I see B1 turning the shoulder in front of A1 and that's where the contact is.

I think the call (no matter which you have) would be the same whether B1 turns or not (in this play).

Turns her shoulder or turns sideways into A1, take your pick. It's what I initially saw in the 12-second full speed clip, and watching in slow motion hasn't changed my opinion. B1 turns into A1. She most definitely did not turn away to absorb contact.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm very confused by the shoulder comments. I don't see B1 turning the shoulder into the offense; I see B1 turning the shoulder in front of A1 and that's where the contact is.

I think the call (no matter which you have) would be the same whether B1 turns or not (in this play).

+10,000 and fine Cuban cigar.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

By rule a defender cannot turn their shoulder into a ball-handler and still be legal.

!!!! Please tell me you did not write what I just read!

MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

This is such an easy charge, at worst a no call as the contact is rather weak. Sure the defender could of opened a bit more to the dribbler. One of the core fundamentals in FED is that a a player is entitled to their spot on the floor as long as they got there first and legally.

[rockyroad]

This is such an easy block. The defender is sliding (slide stepping?) down the inside of the lane line. She turns her body and causes the contact with her shoulder and her feet are now over (right foot actually outside) the lane line. She doesn't get to move into the offensive player like that.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

This is such an easy block. The defender is sliding (slide stepping?) down the inside of the lane line. She turns her body and causes the contact with her shoulder and her feet are now over (right foot actually outside) the lane line. She doesn't get to move into the offensive player like that.

She sure does to get to move like that since she has obtained LGP and is allowed to move to maintain it, and she was not moving obliquely into the dribbler when contact occurred.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

!!!! Please tell me you did not write what I just read!

MTD, Sr.

Yes I did. Since when can a defender turn their shoulder into an offensive player and still have LGP?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

!!!! Please tell me you did not write what I just read!

MTD, Sr.

There's nothing wrong with what he said. A defensive player is never allowed to turn into a offensive player.

[SWKS]

Originally Posted by APG

There's nothing wrong with what he said. A defensive player is never allowed to turn into a defender.

Is that a typo? That wouldn't make sense, but a defensive player with LGP can turn into the offensive player to avoid imminent contact.

[APG]

Originally Posted by SWKS

Is that a typo? That wouldn't make sense, but a defensive player with LGP can turn into the offensive player to avoid imminent contact.

There's a difference between turning to absorb contact...and turning into a defender.

And typo? What typo? Never happened.