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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 07:25am
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Defender did not establish LGP before contact ... block.
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The R1 has most certainly obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a LGP against W1 and is moving to maintain it. The fact that R1 has turned to absorb the contact from the W1 does not matter. Nor does it matter that R1 is moving when contact occurred; when contact occurred R1 was not moving obliquely into A1 at the time of contact.

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The R1 has most certainly obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a LGP against W1 and is moving to maintain it. The fact that R1 has turned to absorb the contact from the W1 does not matter. Nor does it matter that R1 is moving when contact occurred; when contact occurred R1 was not moving obliquely into A1 at the time of contact.

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R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
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In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.

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Block!!! B1 didn't turn away to absorb contact, B1 turned INTO A1 to create the contact.
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In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
Disagree. IMO, the defender's torso is not facing the defender but rather facing the sideline. As such, defender the defender never got LGP.
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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:42am
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I don't think she had LGP, but it isn't always required.
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Disagree. IMO, the defender's torso is not facing the defender but rather facing the sideline. As such, defender the defender never got LGP.
I agree, when the dribbler is at the foul line extended, the defender has both feet on the line with the blocks facing the sideline, not the dribbler. I have a block.
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R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
Don't forget the "in the path" component I learned recently. I don't see the defender in the path until a second or two before contact, and then she is not directly facing the dribbler. The defender is sidestepping the whole way. Additionally, I think I see a bit of forward contact right as the defender stops, which would negate any LGP if she did have it. Offensive player is under control the whole way, block.

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*30% speed with freezes at the moments it appears B1 establishes LGP both before and after A1 has the ball.
Both times you freeze it I don't see the B1 in A1's path at all.
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Don't forget the "in the path" component I learned recently. I don't see the defender in the path until a second or two before contact, and then she is not directly facing the dribbler. The defender is sidestepping the whole way. Additionally, I think I see a bit of forward contact right as the defender stops, which would negate any LGP if she did have it. Offensive player is under control the whole way, block.



Both times you freeze it I don't see the B1 in A1's path at all.
I interpret "in the path" rather loosely, I guess. The defender is easily between the dribbler and the basket. Would you really expect her to expose the basket to get into the precise path of the dribbler who is avoiding the defender at the moment?
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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 02:30pm
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then she is not directly facing the dribbler.
Where does it say in 4-23 that you have to be directly facing the dribbler? It states that the torso must be facing to establish LGP but is not required to stay there.

Just some food for thought!!
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