3 Seconds

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

There has been more emphasis lately, at least in these parts, for officials to stop talking to players and just blow the whistle. Directives coming from higher ups ...

It's the opposite here.

[BatteryPowered]

I was taught in this neck of the woods to call it when we get to three. Of course, we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3..............................2 2/3...

Seriously, we were told if the player wants to basically take himself/herself out of the offense not to be quick with the violation at first. Now, if the suddenly get an easy bucket or rebound after being cautioned stick them with the violation at the next opportunity. Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

[Rich]

Perhaps I'm just lucky. I've called one in 10+ games and I've only had one coach complain about this -- and he just didn't get that a player can stay in the lane as long as he likes while the ball is in the backcourt.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

I realize I might get flack for this from the everything by-the-book, letter-for-letter guys, but this is what I've always done too. And although advantage/disadvantage doesn't technically apply, I still use it. If a kid has his foot just inside the lane line on the weak side, and has no effect on the play, I would be hard-pressed to call that. The game is smoother and more enjoyable for the officials, players, coaches and fans when you can get some sort of flow.

Now, as soon as they clearly DO gain an advantage, game over.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I was taught in this neck of the woods to call it when we get to three. Of course, we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3..............................2 2/3...

Seriously, we were told if the player wants to basically take himself/herself out of the offense not to be quick with the violation at first. Now, if the suddenly get an easy bucket or rebound after being cautioned stick them with the violation at the next opportunity. Maybe I have just been lucky but I usually just reminding them to watch the paint during the first quarter works. I guess they know I/we are noticing and trying not to interupt the flow of the game.

This goes with my teaching as well...but like this....

we were also taught to count...1..................................2...... ...........2 1/3......Hey, 42, get out of the lane.......................2 2/3..................3 (whistle if necessary)

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It's the opposite here.

Of course but we know who's driving that.

I think the UIL would find a way to get rid of us if they could.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

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Maybe I'm picturing this wrong, but I don't see myself allowing this to go without a T.

But if he had been ranting 'all freaking night', it would have been addressed sooner.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Whatever was going on in or around the paint, a coach is not getting away with this. I popped a coach for this during a summer camp game; he did it while play was live.

[BigT]

Here it appears that the Varsity guys wait until an entry pass comes in and they have been there 3+ seconds and call it.

I like to talk to players myself and get them when they have been in really long or forced the defense to guard them and they are unable to help out with other offensive players.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Adam

While there may be no advantage component in the rule, I don't know of anyone that wants 3 seconds called strictly by the rule. You should, however, be talking the players out of the lane...

IF you're told to do so by your local leadership.

Here, the instruction is, "Don't be a good three-second official. Be a GREAT three-second official." We do not talk kids out of the lane, ever. And as a result, the kids move.

For me, if I reach three on a kid in the lane without the ball, and he makes an obvious effort to get out of the lane (or "bucket," as some still call it here), I'll hold my whistle. If he gets out, fine. If he stays put or gets the ball, tweet.

It's just another violation, no big deal. And, like anything else, when they know you enforce it, it works. Last night, JV-B, a total of zero 3-second rulings from my partner and me. (Some sure couldn't keep their arms down then they moved, though.)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

"Don't be a good three-second official. Be a GREAT three-second official."

I prefer my quote:

"Don't make three-seconds your best call."

[rpirtle]

I use the same technique some have mentioned...I talk to the players first. I won't blow 3-seconds unless they've been warned 1st...whether it was immediately before I blew or on a previous trip. It's just my opinion...but it's such a "game interrupter" when a partner blows 3-seconds with no warning (usually away from the ball).

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by dee33

...barking about 3 seconds ...

The 54 foul early season GV game last night afforded all non-officiating elements opportunity to bark about everything they could think of. Both AD's worked the stands diligently for crowd control. Both coaches forced a speed expectation upon their teams that was waaaaaaay above their abilities. But the one bright spot that brought the whistle out of my mouth and a nice big grin to my face was the parent screaming "Three Seconds!!!". . . during a throw-in.
I liked that.

[Rich]

We went 2OT last night and we had around 30 fouls. An absolute joy. The home team ended up with 12 fouls in 5 full quarters of play.

Some idiot did tweet that the fouls were 10-4 at the beginning of the 2OT and we should be ashamed that they weren't even. I laughed at that one.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dee33

Just a general question I had a game last night and the coach was barking about 3 seconds all freaking night to whoever was in the lead and there was no adavantage disadvantage going on because the ball was passed around the top of the key majority of the game. He called a timeout barked some more why arent yall calling this then begins the rant of three seconds is 1,2,3 toot should be a whistle. Mind you the other coach was coaching didnt have a care in the world about the calls. How would you guys have handled this situation?

I would have called it when I saw it. If it was actually happening, this would have quieted him. If it was not actually happening, I'd tell coach we'd keep an eye out ... and if I was keeping an eye out and it wasn't happening - I'd tell him to pipe down.

However, based on your own words it appears to me you knew it was happening and just didn't want to call it. So I'm with coach. Why aren't y'all calling this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dee33

Just a general question I had a game last night and the coach was barking about 3 seconds all freaking night

Address his concern early -- either by getting the whistle, or by correcting him on a rule inter (e.g., does not apply during throw-in), or by pointing out that you were counting when #5 was in the lane, but he was out by 3, ..

Then, if he keeps up, address his whining.