New Mexio St.-Hawai'i shooting foul (video)

[just another ref]

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

What video are you watching?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

I see a player holding the ball in two hands with his left foot on the floor. He steps with the right foot, then lifts the left foot and returns it to the floor.

What did you see?

[johnny d]

Just looked at it again and I agree, his left foot is pivot foot. It is lifted and then returned to the floor. I didn't even look at that part of the play the first time I watched the video because I was focused on the contact and location of the whistle.

[johnny d]

If the T is going to call anything on this play, this travel is what he should be getting. This has been a big emphasis in John Adams videos the last few seasons with the T coming in and helping out on this type of travel violation.

[johnny d]

Bob I think the travel JAR is referring to is that the player spins with his left foot as the pivot foot and right foot off the floor. Steps onto his right foot and lifts his left foot, and then places his left foot back on the floor. The spin move was illegal, not the move when he starts his dribble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Bob I think the travel JAR is referring to is that the player spins with his left foot as the pivot foot and right foot off the floor. Steps onto his right foot and lifts his left foot, and then places his left foot back on the floor. The spin move was illegal, not the move when he starts his dribble.

Sure -- but he clarified while I was posting.

The player travelled twice, cleared out and then is fouled.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

The dribbler does lift his pivot foot a fraction before releasing the ball to start he dribble.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

Absolutely true.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.

[Toren]

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

[BryanV21]

Although this play is hardly a prime example of it, I hate that offensive players constantly get foul calls after going into the defender's vertical space.

It's definitely not enough that I'd call an offensive foul, but there's no way I'd call a foul on the defense. The fact it comes from the trail official, who probably shouldn't be looking for that type of call, is sad.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

Independent of the play in question, slight contact on the shooting arm (including the wrist) will almost always be a foul on the defender.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Toren

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it.

Do you really let defenders smack shooters on the wrist just before they release the ball? Really? If it was a dunk or the shot came off clean, maybe. But that should be a foul every day. There is nothing remotely legal about preventing a shot like that.

That said, it should have been a offensive foul for moving the defender back with an elbow in his rib cage before calling that.

Originally Posted by Toren

Definitely a travel.

Absolutely. Pretty clear cut travel too. Gets missed too often and defenders are left trying to defend and illegal move. And with the adjustments to the rules it will make a defenders job even harder unless they also balance out the new strictness on contact with comparable attention to traveling. But, of course, they wont since the goal isn't really balance but increased scoring.