New Mexio St.-Hawai'i shooting foul (video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

Absolutely true.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.

[Toren]

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

[BryanV21]

Although this play is hardly a prime example of it, I hate that offensive players constantly get foul calls after going into the defender's vertical space.

It's definitely not enough that I'd call an offensive foul, but there's no way I'd call a foul on the defense. The fact it comes from the trail official, who probably shouldn't be looking for that type of call, is sad.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

Independent of the play in question, slight contact on the shooting arm (including the wrist) will almost always be a foul on the defender.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Toren

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it.

Do you really let defenders smack shooters on the wrist just before they release the ball? Really? If it was a dunk or the shot came off clean, maybe. But that should be a foul every day. There is nothing remotely legal about preventing a shot like that.

That said, it should have been a offensive foul for moving the defender back with an elbow in his rib cage before calling that.

Originally Posted by Toren

Definitely a travel.

Absolutely. Pretty clear cut travel too. Gets missed too often and defenders are left trying to defend and illegal move. And with the adjustments to the rules it will make a defenders job even harder unless they also balance out the new strictness on contact with comparable attention to traveling. But, of course, they wont since the goal isn't really balance but increased scoring.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Absolutely. Pretty clear cut travel too. Gets missed too often and defenders are left trying to defend and illegal move. And with the adjustments to the rules it will make a defenders job even harder unless they also balance out the new strictness on contact with comparable attention to traveling. But, of course, they wont since the goal isn't really balance but increased scoring.

Sounds like the NBE.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.

What's your explanation when you miss a call?

Shouldn't the L be in close-down so he is receiving the play and has the slot angle?

Originally Posted by AremRed

Shouldn't the L be in close-down so he is receiving the play and has the slot angle?

Anyone?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Anyone?

I don't think that would help him at all, he has a good open look where he is at. If he was in close down, his angle would be worse and his view obstructed.

I like looking at plays from the outside in, rather than from the inside out.

[Sharpshooternes]

I too have a travel with the pivot move on video. Doubt I would have caught it in real time though. I then have a PC, maybe let the first contact go but then with the elbow hook and push off, I am getting that for sure. The foul on the wrist by the defender is definitely a foul every day of the week, including January, but I would hope we got the offense first.

[dee33]

Im fairly new to this but if it were me if I missed the travel then i definitely have to hit him for the obvious hook IMO.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What's your explanation when you miss a call?

I usually don't have one, but I've never had video to look at after the fact. Sometimes a reason for a missed call is obvious, straightlined, transition play with no official in position, etc. But in this play the travel is obvious to me from every angle. Just wondered.