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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:42am
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New Mexico St.-Hawai'i shooting foul (video)

My first two thoughts on this, for what they're worth...

1. Possible overcompensation on calls due to the POE
2. Who watches what in the post

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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:48am
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It look like he got his wrist on the shot.

And it still could be an over compensation for the other rules being called this year.

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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:53am
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Missed offensive foul.

And I have noticed "overcompensation" in a couple of my games so far this year.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:04am
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Agree with Bob.

And why is the T making this call? Have a hard time believing he had a clean look at that play.
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Agree with Bob.

And why is the T making this call? Have a hard time believing he had a clean look at that play.
+1

The "contact" occurred on the baseline side...why is T putting a whistle on it?
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:11am
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I think T has a better look than L.

L could have closed down -- but usually T and C have to get the feet and contact up top.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:25am
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That is a terrible call. What POE are they over compensating for in this play? This isn't a hand checking/freedom of movement play. It is a LGP/verticality play and it looks like the defender did a pretty good job establishing and maintaining his position.
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Usually.

Like I said, I have a hard time believing he had a clean look at this play.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:28am
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Missed offensive foul.
L definitely had a good look at this. The displacement isn't much, but it is there.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:44am
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L definitely had a good look at this. The displacement isn't much, but it is there.
I do not think I would call an offensive foul here. There is going to be come contact there.

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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:07pm
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FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:34pm
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FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?
If you pass on all the offensive contact, I'm definitely not calling a contact foul on the wrist/elbow, especially when the offensive player invaded the defender's space.
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FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?
That's a pretty tough sequence to defend to the Coach or to an observer/supervisor. If they aren't calling anything on the clearing-out by the offensive player, there needs to be way more contact on the shot to warrant a whistle.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:36pm
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What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:41pm
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That's a pretty tough sequence to defend to the Coach or to an observer/supervisor. If they aren't calling anything on the clearing-out by the offensive player, there needs to be way more contact on the shot to warrant a whistle.
I guess that is what I was reaching for. We have the luxury of viewing this multiple times, and the lead didn't see anything. Either he missed it, or the T saw something we didn't. If the T is going to make this call then it's on him to explain. I haven't worked a JUCO game since the 90's due to my job moving me around to much. I am curious what the current college officials think about this play as it pertains primary and secondary coverage at your level.
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