New Mexio St.-Hawai'i shooting foul (video)

[j51969]

FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by j51969

FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?

If you pass on all the offensive contact, I'm definitely not calling a contact foul on the wrist/elbow, especially when the offensive player invaded the defender's space.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by j51969

FWIW I think the defender got him on the wrist and subsequently a part the the shooting elbow late. Probably had an effect on the shoot being short. What do you think about the offensive player using his arm to slightly hook, and use body to create a little space between him and the defender? Could this have been why the L may have passed on the call?

That's a pretty tough sequence to defend to the Coach or to an observer/supervisor. If they aren't calling anything on the clearing-out by the offensive player, there needs to be way more contact on the shot to warrant a whistle.

[just another ref]

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

What video are you watching?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

I see a player holding the ball in two hands with his left foot on the floor. He steps with the right foot, then lifts the left foot and returns it to the floor.

What did you see?

[johnny d]

Just looked at it again and I agree, his left foot is pivot foot. It is lifted and then returned to the floor. I didn't even look at that part of the play the first time I watched the video because I was focused on the contact and location of the whistle.

[johnny d]

If the T is going to call anything on this play, this travel is what he should be getting. This has been a big emphasis in John Adams videos the last few seasons with the T coming in and helping out on this type of travel violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

The dribbler does lift his pivot foot a fraction before releasing the ball to start he dribble.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What video are you watching?

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

Absolutely true.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.

I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.

[Toren]

Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.

What's your explanation when you miss a call?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."

+1 And it pretty much preceded all the contact being debated here. Put a POE on that and see what happens in the college game.