Shooter...Foul...Horn...Release (Men's NCAA)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Does the fact that we are under 2 minutes, which allows us to review the monitor for shot clock timing mistakes, come into play. I believe this would be considered a timing mistake so we would be allowed to review it and which we would then be allowed to score the goal. However, if we don't have a monitor then I don't think we would be allowed to score the goal unless we have definite knowledge. Anybody agree with this?

Essentially I feel like this question is leaving out if we have a monitor available or not which is important information in order to properly answer the question. Although I may be missing something here (wouldn't be the 1st time).

Try not to read other information into those questions. The shot-clock horn going off before the ball is released isn't necessarily a timing mistake and there's nothing in the OP to indicate it was.

[Raymond]

I too thought this was a bad question because with a monitor you can determine when the clock should have stopped per the whistle and foul signal.

[Raymond]

But A.R. 271 does refer to the game clock, not the shot clock. So that type of review may not be valid for fouls/shot clock determinations.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I too thought this was a bad question because with a monitor you can determine when the clock should have stopped per the whistle and foul signal.

Agreed. The important issue is whether the foul is whistled before the shot clock sounds, yet, that information isn't in the question.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I too thought this was a bad question because with a monitor you can determine when the clock should have stopped per the whistle and foul signal.

Vindication is mine:

Originally Posted by RULES INTERPRETATIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, AND CASE PLAYS - NOVEMBER 13, 2013

PLAY 2: Near the end of the second period, A1 is fouled in the act of shooting but before releasing the ball for a try. After the foul, the shot clock horn sounds followed immediately by the release of the ball for a shot attempt and the sounding of the game clock horn. A1’s try is:
1. Successful; or
2. Unsuccessful
RULING:
When a foul and a try for goal sequentially occur at the expiration of time on the shot clock, the official shall use the monitor to determine whether the foul and try occurred before the sounding of the shot clock horn.
1. When it is determined that the foul occurred before the expiration of the shot clock but the try was not released before the sounding of the shot clock horn, the foul shall be penalized. With the use of the monitor, the official shall be permitted to put the exact time on the game clock when the foul occurred. When the officials determine that time should be put back on the game clock, the shot clock horn should never have sounded and the goal shall count.

And my test score was adjusted from a 90 to a 92.

[BryanV21]

What isn't mentioned is that the clock (shot clock or game clock) should have been stopped by the official as soon as the foul occurred. Therefore the time on either clock would not have expired.

However, the try for goal is allowed to continue to determine how the foul is penalized.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Vindication is mine:



And my test score was adjusted from a 90 to a 92.

Well, now I'm up to a 96, so they screwed the pooch on 3 questions.