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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:00pm
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Travel really? SMDH!!!!

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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:17pm
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Both are shooting fouls.
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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:02pm
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Travel really? SMDH!!!!

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The only thing that shocks me about your response is it took so long I had the same reaction to the post as you.

JAR, I have the dribble ending when A1 put both hands on the ball which would make him legal. Where do you have the dribble ending?


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Thoughts? My first was "showcase" and my second was "time and score".
My first thought on play #2 was "Don't go fishing in another man's pond." C had a better look at that play and let it go, so given it wasn't a felony offense...let it go.
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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:56pm
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The only thing that shocks me about your response is it took so long I had the same reaction to the post as you.
It took so long because I had a scrimmage this morning for football. I am honestly not shocked it was pointed out, but I cannot believe that even a travel was even an issue.

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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:22pm
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It took so long because I had a scrimmage this morning for football. I am honestly not shocked it was pointed out, but I cannot believe that even a travel was even an issue.

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I agree. I see absolutely nothing in that clip that would make me think travel. Not even close.

The shot should have counted, no question about that either.


In the second play, I don't have a foul at all....but if there was one, the basket should count.
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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:43pm
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In the second play, I don't have a foul at all....but if there was one, the basket should count.
That is why I called it possiblity a "game interrupter." People do not like the term, but it seems like nothing prevented the player from movement or opportunity to complete a play.

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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:28pm
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The only thing that shocks me about your response is it took so long I had the same reaction to the post as you.

JAR, I have the dribble ending when A1 put both hands on the ball which would make him legal. Where do you have the dribble ending?
his left foot is on the floor when he puts both hands on the ball. it returns to the floor before the release.
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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:37pm
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his left foot is on the floor when he puts both hands on the ball. it returns to the floor before the release.
That is not even close to accurate. A supervisor would not be too happy if you tried to defend that judgment.
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Old Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:39pm
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That is not even close to accurate. A supervisor would not be too happy if you tried to defend that judgment.

I was describing the play from memory which turned out to be lacking. From this angle, I can't actually tell when the second hand touches the ball, but it had returned from the floor and was in the right hand with the left foot on the floor. Would anybody call this in real time? Probably not. I was offering a possible suggestion why he wouldn't count the basket. I would prefer no call at all here to waving off the basket.
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I was describing the play from memory which turned out to be lacking. From this angle, I can't actually tell when the second hand touches the ball, but it had returned from the floor and was in the right hand with the left foot on the floor. Would anybody call this in real time? Probably not. I was offering a possible suggestion why he wouldn't count the basket. I would prefer no call at all here to waving off the basket.
Sadly, he was pointing at the floor. As if that has any bearing on the ruling.
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Not gonna micromanage a travel on this play. Not even close, IMO. And if a better view reveals a travel, IMO it was caused by the contact. Foul and two shots.

First play is a clear and-one. FIBA actually addressed this a year or so ago, pointing out the tendency to incorrectly wave off shot attempts and FG's. You are splitting hairs at the atomic level calling this 'on the floor'.

Second play = no foul. At all.
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