Heat v. Pacers: Game 4

[rockyroad]

Also, how about the blown shot clock violation call that took away a basket from Indiana? Ball clearly hit the rim. Not sure how all 3 of them missed that. Any video of that play available.

As far as the fouls called on James, would we be having this conversation on this thread if James had been the shooter or the player being screened and the fouls had been called against Young, Stephenson, or George???

[Adam]

I like the screen call, but I haven't seen any of their no-calls for this game.

I couldn't see the travel, but the video is too jumpy here (connection issues, I think).

Really don't like the foul, but the RA may be the issue. I thought it only affected B/C calls, and didn't matter on shot block attempts. Then again, I really don't like the RA itself, so I haven't bothered to learn too much about it.

[Camron Rust]

Good screen call. Need to see more of those called. It is unfailr to the defense to not call those.

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

LeBron's foul is correct by NBA standards relating to upward motion. In NFHS, that would have been a good defensive play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

[JRutledge]

This play (Wade hit in the head) is just a regular shooting foul IMO and good catch on the GT call too.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

You're not making any sense. Can you translate?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

You won't see a whistle blown regularly on this play because it was a legal play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

You won't see a whistle blown regularly on this play because it was a legal play.

Not according to the NBA website:

NBA.com - NBA’s Misunderstood Rules

If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released. If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two.

He caught the dribble with one foot on the floor in front of the 3-point line. He stepped back with the other foot and then back for another step with the first foot.

That, according to the NBA rule, is indeed a travel.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

The travel call is a tough one because I've seen NBA (and even NCAA) players get away with MUCH worse than that before. By rule, its the correct call though.

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I tend to feel the same way about the travel. I know there are a couple of travels there in any other rule set. In the NBA its close a couple of times. If this is called a travel all the time I've got no problem with it, the difficulty occurs if this is a rare or isolated incident. Probably the correct call but a tough call at this level in this situation.

Like noted earlier, nothing illegal about this under NBA rules...if that play was called a travel all the time, that would be a problem (under that rule set).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe APG can clarify this, but I am not so sure that is the mechanic at the NBA level the same way it is at the NCAA level. I could be wrong, but I would like to know for sure. I know I do not see the NBA officials pointing like they do at the NCAA level requires us to do.


Peace

For block/charge plays that involve the RA, the calling official will point to the RA if it's the sole reason for a blocking foul (as in the defender did get in the path and beat the player to the spot, but the RA applies and he's in it). Otherwise, if it would have been a blocking foul regardless, they won't point (e.g. defender gets to the spot late). Besides telling partners that they had a block for a particular reason (and thus can give help if needed), block/charge plays, in the final two minutes, that involve the RA are reviewable so they have to make the distinction.

Finally, I don't believe this is an RA play as the defender alights in a legitimate attempt to block the shot.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by APG

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

I guess that shows how much I watch and understand the NBA! Being from the St. Louis area (with no NBA team), I have no vested interest in that league. STL is known as a baseball town for obvious reasons...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

The St. Louis area, with no NBA team ...

What about the Hawks? Wait? I'm being told ... what? Where? Atlanta? Never mind.

[grunewar]

NBA fines Heat's James, Pacers' West, Stephenson for flopping

[APG]

Originally Posted by grunewar

NBA fines Heat's James, Pacers' West, Stephenson for flopping