Heat v. Pacers: Game 4

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't see the game. Was there a play where David West hammered D-Wade? Can we get video on that?

I think you might be talking about a play where Wade was hit in the back of the head while a blocked shot attempt was made from behind. I would like to see that play again too. The commentators (not a good judge of anything) wanted it to be called a FF1. But then again this is Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr we are talking about.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Also, how about the blown shot clock violation call that took away a basket from Indiana? Ball clearly hit the rim. Not sure how all 3 of them missed that. Any video of that play available.

As far as the fouls called on James, would we be having this conversation on this thread if James had been the shooter or the player being screened and the fouls had been called against Young, Stephenson, or George???

[Adam]

I like the screen call, but I haven't seen any of their no-calls for this game.

I couldn't see the travel, but the video is too jumpy here (connection issues, I think).

Really don't like the foul, but the RA may be the issue. I thought it only affected B/C calls, and didn't matter on shot block attempts. Then again, I really don't like the RA itself, so I haven't bothered to learn too much about it.

[Camron Rust]

Good screen call. Need to see more of those called. It is unfailr to the defense to not call those.

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

LeBron's foul is correct by NBA standards relating to upward motion. In NFHS, that would have been a good defensive play.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

The travel call is a tough one because I've seen NBA (and even NCAA) players get away with MUCH worse than that before. By rule, its the correct call though.

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I tend to feel the same way about the travel. I know there are a couple of travels there in any other rule set. In the NBA its close a couple of times. If this is called a travel all the time I've got no problem with it, the difficulty occurs if this is a rare or isolated incident. Probably the correct call but a tough call at this level in this situation.

Like noted earlier, nothing illegal about this under NBA rules...if that play was called a travel all the time, that would be a problem (under that rule set).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe APG can clarify this, but I am not so sure that is the mechanic at the NBA level the same way it is at the NCAA level. I could be wrong, but I would like to know for sure. I know I do not see the NBA officials pointing like they do at the NCAA level requires us to do.


Peace

For block/charge plays that involve the RA, the calling official will point to the RA if it's the sole reason for a blocking foul (as in the defender did get in the path and beat the player to the spot, but the RA applies and he's in it). Otherwise, if it would have been a blocking foul regardless, they won't point (e.g. defender gets to the spot late). Besides telling partners that they had a block for a particular reason (and thus can give help if needed), block/charge plays, in the final two minutes, that involve the RA are reviewable so they have to make the distinction.

Finally, I don't believe this is an RA play as the defender alights in a legitimate attempt to block the shot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't see the game. Was there a play where David West hammered D-Wade? Can we get video on that?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

You won't see a whistle blown regularly on this play because it was a legal play.

[JRutledge]

This play (Wade hit in the head) is just a regular shooting foul IMO and good catch on the GT call too.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This play (Wade hit in the head) is just a regular shooting foul IMO and good catch on the GT call too.

Peace

I could go either way with this play. I'd trust whatever the officials called.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I could go either way with this play. I'd trust whatever the officials called.

I do not totally disagree, I just think that the officials made a proper choice and called this a regular foul. Wade fell IMO more for him going hard to the basket and knowing he was going to be contested, more than the contact. And all head contact is not considered flagrant. It was not an elbow play or any more than a missed block attempt.

Peace

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by APG

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

I guess that shows how much I watch and understand the NBA! Being from the St. Louis area (with no NBA team), I have no vested interest in that league. STL is known as a baseball town for obvious reasons...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

You're not making any sense. Can you translate?