Heat v. Pacers: Game 4

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

[JRutledge]

This play (Wade hit in the head) is just a regular shooting foul IMO and good catch on the GT call too.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This play (Wade hit in the head) is just a regular shooting foul IMO and good catch on the GT call too.

Peace

I could go either way with this play. I'd trust whatever the officials called.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I could go either way with this play. I'd trust whatever the officials called.

I do not totally disagree, I just think that the officials made a proper choice and called this a regular foul. Wade fell IMO more for him going hard to the basket and knowing he was going to be contested, more than the contact. And all head contact is not considered flagrant. It was not an elbow play or any more than a missed block attempt.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Enough with what attitude? You mean enough with the attitude that everything is called properly at all levels and the NBA is somehow not real basketball? Oh I agree, it is annoying.

Peace

You're not making any sense. Can you translate?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Again? Really? Enough of the attitude.

I never said there were no travels called...just that the threshold for calling one is usually a lot higher than this one.

You won't see a whistle blown regularly on this play because it was a legal play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

You won't see a whistle blown regularly on this play because it was a legal play.

Not according to the NBA website:

NBA.com - NBA’s Misunderstood Rules

If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released. If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two.

He caught the dribble with one foot on the floor in front of the 3-point line. He stepped back with the other foot and then back for another step with the first foot.

That, according to the NBA rule, is indeed a travel.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not according to the NBA website:

NBA.com - NBA’s Misunderstood Rules

If a player has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, he may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor to shoot or pass it may not return until the ball is released. If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two.

He caught the dribble with one foot on the floor in front of the 3-point line. He stepped back with the other foot and then back for another step with the first foot.

That, according to the NBA rule, is indeed a travel.

The pivot foot is the left foot on this play. He caught the ball with the right foot on the floor...step one is the one made by the left foot as it happened after he gained control of the ball. He then stepped with the right back. This is the second step and made the left foot the pivot foot.

Another thing, that website is old...it uses old language that the rule book does not use anymore. The rule I quoted is from the current rule book. What you've quoted is referencing language from 2008 I believe (and even then, I don't believe this would have been a violation back then either).

[APG]

Here is Joe Borgia, NBA Vice President of Referee Operations, on Making the Call with Joe Borgia. He explains it quite well...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

Another thing, that website is old...it uses old language that the rule book does not use anymore. The rule I quoted is from the current rule book. What you've quoted is referencing language from 2008 I believe (and even then, I don't believe this would have been a violation back then either).

That website is the NBA's own website. How is anyone supposed to know that a currently published description of the rule by the NBA is not current? I could see it being out-of-date if it was a 3rd party or if it was just changed, but 5 years!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That website is the NBA's own website. How is anyone supposed to know that a currently published description of the rule by the NBA is not current? I could see it being out-of-date if it was a 3rd party or if it was just changed, but 5 years!

Dunno...I will say that in the 2012-2013 NBA Officials Media Guide, their misunderstood rules section uses similar language to what you posted. So it's seems the NBA is just not being clear with what they mean.