Heat v. Pacers: Game 4

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This is the only reason I thought play #3 could've been a foul. That being said, establishing LGP in the RA doesn't prevent someone from playing defense and Crawford didn't make any motion to the RA, it appears he just called the body contact.

The illegal screen was a good call but I feel the same was as others who've responded: You see plays worse than that in the NBA - and NCAA, to be honest - that never get called so it just didn't feel right. Same thing with the travel.

Maybe APG can clarify this, but I am not so sure that is the mechanic at the NBA level the same way it is at the NCAA level. I could be wrong, but I would like to know for sure. I know I do not see the NBA officials pointing like they do at the NCAA level requires us to do.

I believe that LBJ was called for an illegal screen in that game on his second foul. And I have several examples of illegal screens in the NBA. So to say that is not ever called is not quite accurate. It is not called very technically for sure, but it is called when there is clearer displacement. And this play the player was tripped and could not cleanly get around LBJ. That is why I loved the call and the way I make these calls.

Peace

[Raymond]

I didn't see the game. Was there a play where David West hammered D-Wade? Can we get video on that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't see the game. Was there a play where David West hammered D-Wade? Can we get video on that?

I think you might be talking about a play where Wade was hit in the back of the head while a blocked shot attempt was made from behind. I would like to see that play again too. The commentators (not a good judge of anything) wanted it to be called a FF1. But then again this is Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr we are talking about.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Also, how about the blown shot clock violation call that took away a basket from Indiana? Ball clearly hit the rim. Not sure how all 3 of them missed that. Any video of that play available.

As far as the fouls called on James, would we be having this conversation on this thread if James had been the shooter or the player being screened and the fouls had been called against Young, Stephenson, or George???

[Adam]

I like the screen call, but I haven't seen any of their no-calls for this game.

I couldn't see the travel, but the video is too jumpy here (connection issues, I think).

Really don't like the foul, but the RA may be the issue. I thought it only affected B/C calls, and didn't matter on shot block attempts. Then again, I really don't like the RA itself, so I haven't bothered to learn too much about it.

[Camron Rust]

Good screen call. Need to see more of those called. It is unfailr to the defense to not call those.

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

LeBron's foul is correct by NBA standards relating to upward motion. In NFHS, that would have been a good defensive play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Travel call correct, but it is a bit surprising to see it called. They let a lot more go.

Well it appears once again you do not watch much NBA games if you have not seen travels called. And if you watch Heat games many are called on both Wade and LeBron.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

The travel call is a tough one because I've seen NBA (and even NCAA) players get away with MUCH worse than that before. By rule, its the correct call though.

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I tend to feel the same way about the travel. I know there are a couple of travels there in any other rule set. In the NBA its close a couple of times. If this is called a travel all the time I've got no problem with it, the difficulty occurs if this is a rare or isolated incident. Probably the correct call but a tough call at this level in this situation.

Like noted earlier, nothing illegal about this under NBA rules...if that play was called a travel all the time, that would be a problem (under that rule set).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe APG can clarify this, but I am not so sure that is the mechanic at the NBA level the same way it is at the NCAA level. I could be wrong, but I would like to know for sure. I know I do not see the NBA officials pointing like they do at the NCAA level requires us to do.


Peace

For block/charge plays that involve the RA, the calling official will point to the RA if it's the sole reason for a blocking foul (as in the defender did get in the path and beat the player to the spot, but the RA applies and he's in it). Otherwise, if it would have been a blocking foul regardless, they won't point (e.g. defender gets to the spot late). Besides telling partners that they had a block for a particular reason (and thus can give help if needed), block/charge plays, in the final two minutes, that involve the RA are reviewable so they have to make the distinction.

Finally, I don't believe this is an RA play as the defender alights in a legitimate attempt to block the shot.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by APG

Only correct under NFHS and NCAA rules...that was a legal play under NBA rules.

I guess that shows how much I watch and understand the NBA! Being from the St. Louis area (with no NBA team), I have no vested interest in that league. STL is known as a baseball town for obvious reasons...

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't see the game. Was there a play where David West hammered D-Wade? Can we get video on that?