Backcourt Violation? with Video

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Freddy

One item in particular I was interested to see in the video was the unofficial spread-arms signal used by the official. I don't think the official meant it as the standard "not closely guarded" signal. That, to me anyway, clearly conveyed the message, "I saw what just happened but I've got nothing." Seems to be like what soccer has with their "play on" signal.
I like that and wouldn't mind seeing it or something similar become a standard signal.

I could see the other point of view (don't use the mechanic), but it seemed the best way to communicate to all at the time.

[Camron Rust]

I agree...no call. The passer was still in the backcourt when the ball was passed.

[OKREF]

The "not closely guarded signal" is an official signal, it was added to the official signals this year. Number 12 on the signal chart of the rule book.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

The "not closely guarded signal" is an official signal, it was added to the official signals this year. Number 12 on the signal chart of the rule book.

The "not closely guarded" signal was removed from the IAABO mechanics manual at the beginning of the 2012-13 season. I guess they figure that if you're not counting, you don't have a closely guarded count. Stupid IAABO mechanics. What was wrong with the NFHS mechanics that we were using for many, many years?

[csb1971]

Had a play identical to this earlier in the season. It was close, but the kid's foot was still in the backcourt. The coach and crowed howled, but there was nothing to call!

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The "not closely guarded" signal was removed from the IAABO mechanics manual at the beginning of the 2012-13 season. I guess they figure that if you're not counting, you don't have a closely guarded count. Stupid IAABO mechanics. What was wrong with the NFHS mechanics that we were using for many, many years?

I don't use it all the time. However in some situations I will. For example if it is a close tight game and there is a lot of ball pressure I will use it to make sure that all coaches know they aren't closely guarded.

[letemplay]

Altering the video sitch a hair, what if the player HAD BOTH feet in the frontcourt but had yet to get the ball across and then shovel passed it off his dribble to his teammate still in backcourt? I realize if player picks up his dribble he has front court status and this play would be a violation, but would there need to be clear end of dribble and player control to give ball front court status?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Altering the video sitch a hair, what if the player HAD BOTH feet in the frontcourt but had yet to get the ball across and then shovel passed it off his dribble to his teammate still in backcourt? I realize if player picks up his dribble he has front court status and this play would be a violation, but would there need to be clear end of dribble and player control to give ball front court status?

If it was still a dribble, then you'd need all three points. Since he clearly ened his dribble and then passed the ball, your (changed) description would result in a violation.