Time out

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

Aren't states allowed to adopt their own rules?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

If you have an inadvertent whistle, the casebook says you do not grant those timeouts.

Here is a play that shows what I am talking about.

Timeouts Not Charged
A.R. 155. Player A1 is airborne and momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds. A1, while airborne and in control of the ball, requests a timeout. The official:

(1) Inadvertently blows the whistle; or
(2) Blows the whistle and immediately grants a timeout.

RULING: In both (1) and (2), the officials shall not recognize this request. The official’s whistle is an inadvertent whistle that caused the ball to become dead. Play will be resumed at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to Team A, the team in control, at a designated spot nearest to where the ball was located. Before placing the ball at Team A’s disposal for a throw-in, the official is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout.
(Rule 4-39, 4-53.1.a, 5-12.1.c and 7-5.16)

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you have an inadvertent whistle, the casebook says you do not grant those timeouts.

Here is a play that shows what I am talking about.

Timeouts Not Charged
A.R. 155. Player A1 is airborne and momentum is carrying him/her out of bounds. A1, while airborne and in control of the ball, requests a timeout. The official:

(1) Inadvertently blows the whistle; or
(2) Blows the whistle and immediately grants a timeout.

RULING: In both (1) and (2), the officials shall not recognize this request. The official’s whistle is an inadvertent whistle that caused the ball to become dead. Play will be resumed at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to Team A, the team in control, at a designated spot nearest to where the ball was located. Before placing the ball at Team A’s disposal for a throw-in, the official is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout.
(Rule 4-39, 4-53.1.a, 5-12.1.c and 7-5.16)

Peace

Yep, time-outs incorrectly granted to a team not entitled to request one are treated as IW in NCAA-Men's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yep, time-outs incorrectly granted to a team not entitled to request one are treated as IW in NCAA-Men's.

Is it not the same in NCAA-Women ball?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is it not the same in NCAA-Women ball?

Peace

It might be but I didn't look it up so I didn't want to get attacked by villagers with torches if I got it wrong.

You know what happens if you inadvertently type something wrong around here. LOL

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It might be but I didn't look it up so I didn't want to get attacked by villagers with torches if I got it wrong.

You know what happens if you inadvertently type something wrong around here. LOL

Nothing...I just edit others till I'm right.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It might be but I didn't look it up so I didn't want to get attacked by villagers with torches if I got it wrong.

You know what happens if you inadvertently type something wrong around here. LOL

My God yes!!!!

One advantages with my IPad is everything is right in front of me to cut and paste and double check. Otherwise people here are funny like that.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My God yes!!!!

One advantages with my IPad is everything is right in front of me to cut and paste and double check. Otherwise people here are funny like that.

Peace

But technology can only go so far.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

But technology can only go so far.

And thank you for proving BNR's point.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And thank you for proving BNR's point.

Peace

You set it on a tee for me. I'm only human.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You set it on a tee for me. I'm only human.

And some people get off on different things. So I am not surprised. It bothered you, not me.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

When it's coming from the head of a state association, it's not ignoring rules so much as changing rules. And presumably, Georgia has forfeited it's input to the NFHS rules committees for not fully adopting the NFHS rules.

I wouldn't comment publicly on your ignore or change comment regarding the rules BECAUSE it does come from the head of our State association. But, our guy currently sits on the rules committee and his picture is prominently displayed in the rulesbook. I'm not really certain of his term expiration, though.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless there's a monitor, then the rule as you've described it contradicts the NCAAW rule as well.

I find that interesting. Of course, it has never really been explained to me the origination of our rule, directive, guideline or whatever we call it when it comes from the State office.

What is the NCAAW rule?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

I wouldn't comment publicly on your ignore or change comment regarding the rules BECAUSE it does come from the head of our State association. But, our guy currently sits on the rules committee and his picture is prominently displayed in the rulesbook. I'm not really certain of his term expiration, though.

From what we're told in Ohio, if the state changes anything that isn't a state adoption, that state is supposed to be shut out of the rules committee process entirely from the questionnaire to sitting on the committee. So I'm left to wander if Ohio isn't telling us the truth or if the NFHS is just full of it.

[BillyMac]

After almost sixty posts, I want to make sure that I have this straight.

Most would agree that, in regard to a charged timeout, the ball doesn't become dead when the coach requests the timeout.

Has there been a consensus that the ball does become dead when the official grants the timeout, and have we decided that the granting and the whistle sounding occur at the same time, and that any movement of the clock after that can be changed if there is definite knowledge by the official?