Time out

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BY RULE the referee should have the clock reset to 3.8, if one of the game officials observes it.

What do you tell the coach who says, I was calling time out right at 5 seconds. You obviously heard me. Why do we only get 3.8 seconds?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

What do you tell the coach who says, I was calling time out right at 5 seconds. You obviously heard me. Why do we only get 3.8 seconds?

I'd have no issue telling the coach that BY RULE the clock stops when the whistle sounds, and he/she needs to account for the reaction time of the official when requesting a time-out.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'd have no issue telling the coach that BY RULE the clock stops when the whistle sounds, and he/she needs to account for the reaction time of the official when requesting a time-out.

I think coaches need to be a liitle more tolerant of my reaction time, as well. But, I have no problem hearing a request, glancing at the clock to note the time, blowing my whistle and putting the time BACK to my notation. Of course, I don't do this at at the 2:23 mark of the first period, either.

I'm not going to punish a properly requested T.O. because I spit my whistle out of my mouth and couldn't alert the timekeeper. I think there is enough verbiage in the rulebook i.e. "the whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead", "spirit of the rules", etc.

In Georgia, we have a RULE - no free throws are shot with no time on the clock 0:00. You must put time back up there if you clearly heard your whistle before the horn.

[Adam]

That Georgia rule clearly contradicts Fed rules.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Adam

That Georgia rule clearly contradicts Fed rules.

Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

Fair enough, but the rule makes sense with replay available. Kind of. An airborne shooter could be fouled after the horn. You guys have to ignore those?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

When it's coming from the head of a state association, it's not ignoring rules so much as changing rules. And presumably, Georgia has forfeited it's input to the NFHS rules committees for not fully adopting the NFHS rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

Aren't states allowed to adopt their own rules?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

Unless there's a monitor, then the rule as you've described it contradicts the NCAAW rule as well.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless there's a monitor, then the rule as you've described it contradicts the NCAAW rule as well.

I find that interesting. Of course, it has never really been explained to me the origination of our rule, directive, guideline or whatever we call it when it comes from the State office.

What is the NCAAW rule?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

What do you tell the coach who says, I was calling time out right at 5 seconds. You obviously heard me. Why do we only get 3.8 seconds?

Tell the coach the purchase a PTS for his gymnasium and he will cut down on those seconds lost.

This coach probably has a college degree yet feels justified in asking such a stupid question.