Post pushing (video)

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

+1

[JugglingReferee]

Offense. The little contact by B gets played through all the time up here. A's actions are a foul though.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Offense. The little contact by B gets played through all the time up here. A's actions are a foul though.

Holding a player by the waist and guiding them is little contact? By the time the whistle is blown its pretty much a double foul, but Im auto calling that hold in a Varsity game. Just like I auto call 2 hands on a player (especially the ball handler). I don't even entertain advantage/disadvantage in these situations.

Sometimes its best to call the obvious infraction and not apply to many different principles of officiating to stay out of future problems.

[deecee]

In these officials defense it is two man so that hold would have to be called by the trail who has ball responsibilities.

This is a great opportunity for the Lead to come over and officiate on the strong side.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

Holding a player by the waist and guiding them is little contact? By the time the whistle is blown its pretty much a double foul, but Im auto calling that hold in a Varsity game. Just like I auto call 2 hands on a player (especially the ball handler). I don't even entertain advantage/disadvantage in these situations.

Sometimes its best to call the obvious infraction and not apply to many different principles of officiating to stay out of future problems.

I am not seeing this wrist grab you keep talking about. I see a offensive player backing out a guy and then holding him to keep from getting around him. Those are displacements, not a grab that did not affect the movement of a player.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not seeing this wrist grab you keep talking about. I see a offensive player backing out a guy and then holding him to keep from getting around him. Those are displacements, not a grab that did not affect the movement of a player.

Peace

What was white's right arm doing around the 13 second mark?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

What was white's right arm doing around the 13 second mark?

So an arm around someone suggest that only a hold is possible? Sorry, but I am not seeing any restriction on the movement of the offensive player or being moved. Even in football where holding is defined as arms outside the frame during a block, it is not called until there is a material restriction of the person being "held." I would use a similar standard in basketball. Arms around someone does not mean it is a foul until there is an advantage and certain not one I can see. Maybe an angle on the end line would help me see what you are seeing, but holding means you are being "held" from doing something you were trying to do IMO.

Peace

[Pantherdreams]

Geez guys reporting fouls . . . making a judgement call . . . just mail in the 3 second call and call it night

I've acutally thinking this has to go on the offense he's using his hands/arms to establish and create space first. If your going to get the retaliation you've got to go double foul if not, then get the offense early.