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ballgame99 Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:29pm

Post pushing (video)
 
Great video. You make the call.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/H7IQkxzd53s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The refs on the vid appear to be calling a hold on the D. I'm more inclined to call this on the offensive player. He keeps the defender from getting high side by hooking him, then when the defender establishes low side position he pushes him down.

APG Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:32pm

Hold on the defender...but I' could buy a hold on the offensive player if I saw the play from another angle...as long as one doesn't cop out to calling a double foul.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 879173)
Hold on the defender...but I'd be okay with calling a hold on the offensive player...as long as one doesn't cop out to calling a double foul.

3 holds on the defender. false multiple foul. ;)

bainsey Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:38pm

I'm not sure how you can consider a team control hold, as the defender clearly did most of the advantagous holding while the post player tried to get free. I usually like double fouls (they send a clear message: "both of you -- knock it off"), but not here. Defender was the instigator.

Welpe Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:38pm

I wouldn't have a double foul here, I know that much. :D

JetMetFan Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:45pm

TC for me. Hook and displacement by the offensive player started the ball rolling.

MD Longhorn Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:17pm

First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 879175)
I'm not sure how you can consider a team control hold, as the defender clearly did most of the advantagous holding while the post player tried to get free. I usually like double fouls (they send a clear message: "both of you -- knock it off"), but not here. Defender was the instigator.

They send an even clearer message -- I missed the first foul so I'm going to cop out by calling a double foul.

APG Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 879186)
They send an even clearer message -- I missed the first foul so I'm going to cop out by calling a double foul.

"Hmm...that looked like a foul...but I think I'll pass

**Opponent now commits a foul in reaction to the first foul**

"Oh sh**, I should have called the first foul"

*TWEET* DOUBLE FOUL!

packersowner Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 879183)
First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

Rich Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 879189)
I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

That's too late, IMO.

MathReferee Wed Feb 13, 2013 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by md longhorn (Post 879183)
first foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

+1

rockyroad Wed Feb 13, 2013 06:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 879189)
I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

Right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

OKREF Wed Feb 13, 2013 06:15pm

I have that on the defense. Holding several times.

Blindolbat Wed Feb 13, 2013 06:34pm

My question is what took the lead so long to make the call? It seems like the trail whose primary responsibility was ball here actually made the call.


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