Post pushing (video)

[ballgame99]

Great video. You make the call.


The refs on the vid appear to be calling a hold on the D. I'm more inclined to call this on the offensive player. He keeps the defender from getting high side by hooking him, then when the defender establishes low side position he pushes him down.

[APG]

Hold on the defender...but I' could buy a hold on the offensive player if I saw the play from another angle...as long as one doesn't cop out to calling a double foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by APG

Hold on the defender...but I'd be okay with calling a hold on the offensive player...as long as one doesn't cop out to calling a double foul.

3 holds on the defender. false multiple foul.

[bainsey]

I'm not sure how you can consider a team control hold, as the defender clearly did most of the advantagous holding while the post player tried to get free. I usually like double fouls (they send a clear message: "both of you -- knock it off"), but not here. Defender was the instigator.

[Welpe]

I wouldn't have a double foul here, I know that much.

[JetMetFan]

TC for me. Hook and displacement by the offensive player started the ball rolling.

[MD Longhorn]

First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm not sure how you can consider a team control hold, as the defender clearly did most of the advantagous holding while the post player tried to get free. I usually like double fouls (they send a clear message: "both of you -- knock it off"), but not here. Defender was the instigator.

They send an even clearer message -- I missed the first foul so I'm going to cop out by calling a double foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

They send an even clearer message -- I missed the first foul so I'm going to cop out by calling a double foul.

"Hmm...that looked like a foul...but I think I'll pass

**Opponent now commits a foul in reaction to the first foul**

"Oh sh**, I should have called the first foul"

*TWEET* DOUBLE FOUL!

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

That's too late, IMO.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by md longhorn

first foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

+1

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

Right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

[OKREF]

I have that on the defense. Holding several times.

[Blindolbat]

My question is what took the lead so long to make the call? It seems like the trail whose primary responsibility was ball here actually made the call.