Block/charge video

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

I'm not going to lambast the official if that what's he really thought he saw...it happens to everyone. Sometimes you see something that you honestly thought happen, and just didn't plain happen. I've seen D-I and NBA official call trips that didn't happen at all...and sell it to everyone in attendance....it's not different (strictly speaking signalling here). If he really thought he saw the defender slide in late, then I have no problem with trying to show that in his signaling (though he should tone it down a bit)...and I wouldn't call it arrogant.

Second part, I say it's a really close play in the mind of the trail. In his mind, he has a really close block/charge play...saw something subtle...and felt he had to sell it. Of course, it doesn't help, upon replay, that he got the play wrong. And his mechanics were off as well as far as who should have first crack at this play.

Finally, I'm still not going to flip on a call like this...internally or externally. I feel like this call isn't flip your sh** worthy. It would just be something I'd discuss with my partner after the game.

Exactly.

Until you can say you've never reached on a call in your life, there's no reason to get pissed on one single call like this. Although I can't imagine even putting a whistle on this unless it's a cadence whistle used only because the L had a complete brain fart.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rich

Exactly.

Until you can say you've never reached on a call in your life, there's no reason to get pissed on one single call like this. Although I can't imagine even putting a whistle on this unless it's a cadence whistle used only because the L had a complete brain fart.

We've all reached, we've all missed. We'll all reach and miss again.

But if I'm the L here Im still a little pissed at 1) the lack of trust showed by the T 2) the over the top theatrics on the wrong call and 3) the complete lack of awareness of the L's whistle and preliminary.

And then when you go to youtube you see this same official calling a block from almost 50 ft away with the same BS over the top mechanics. So he now appears twice on this organization's videos of incorrectly calling out of his area and with clownish mechanics.

For his sake and the sake of basketball I sincerely hope he's learned to stop doing this.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

And then when you go to youtube you see this same official calling a block from almost 50 ft away with the same BS over the top mechanics.

I think this is the video VaTerp is talking about.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

I think this is the video VaTerp is talking about.

That little slide during the report is just horrible to see.

[twocentsworth]

This OP video, and the second video posted on page 2 of this thread are CLASSIC examples of why a play is much easier to officiate when the play coming towards an official rather than when it is moving away from an official.

Other than the fact that the calling official was wrong, I have no problem with his mechanics on these two plays. You have to know which 4-5 plays each game require you to sell it...and then SELL IT!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

This OP video, and the second video posted on page 2 of this thread are CLASSIC examples of why a play is much easier to officiate when the play coming towards an official rather than when it is moving away from an official.

Other than the fact that the calling official was wrong, I have no problem with his mechanics on these two plays. You have to know which 4-5 plays each game require you to sell it...and then SELL IT!

There's never a need to leave your feet when selling a call.

[canuckrefguy]

I swear watching this guy twice he likes calling block just to use that ridiculous looking over-sell block signal.

Yikes.

[OKREF]

Looks bad.

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I swear watching this guy twice he likes calling block just to use that ridiculous looking over-sell block signal.

Assuming it is the same guy, at least in the second video the dude had the only whistle on the play. I didn't see anything from the Lead that looked like he was going to call something.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

This OP video, and the second video posted on page 2 of this thread are CLASSIC examples of why a play is much easier to officiate when the play coming towards an official rather than when it is moving away from an official.

Other than the fact that the calling official was wrong, I have no problem with his mechanics on these two plays. You have to know which 4-5 plays each game require you to sell it...and then SELL IT!

Could not disagree more.

You sell a call with your voice, presence, and STRONG mechanics. Not jumping around and making over the top gestures.

He looks, particularly in the first clip, like a clown. Period. That doesnt sell the call. It just makes the fact that he got the call wrong that much worse.

[Welpe]

It seems in both of these plays that the lead has a better look but I'm under the impression in many cases with two man mechanics that the call should be primarily the trail's because the drive originates from his primary. What am I missing here?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It seems in both of these plays that the lead has a better look but I'm under the impression in many cases with two man mechanics that the call should be primarily the trail's because the drive originates from his primary. What am I missing here?

I'm more interested in whose primary the defender came from. Pretty hard to referee the defense when he's in the L's primary and the T is watching the drive.

In my world, we still go by "who is the play coming to" when the play ends up in that official's primary. Maybe it's "old style" thinking, but it works for me.

[mplagrow]

After watching both videos, I think T is an actor planted by the association to provide some good 'how not to officiate the blarge from trail' footage. I'm with those who say the overacting brings his credibility into question, it's like the kid who lies and gets a little too vehement in defending it. You can tell he's trying to sell something you're not buying. You can be calm and confident and give good mechanics, and have confidence in your voice when you report it, and that's good enough.

With his antics, I'm not going to get into it on the court even if I know he's wrong. But in postgame, I'm having a long talk about areas, proper mechanics, and the importance of eye contact/communication on close calls.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It seems in both of these plays that the lead has a better look but I'm under the impression in many cases with two man mechanics that the call should be primarily the trail's because the drive originates from his primary. What am I missing here?

I know here in my corner of Rome, if it is coming towards the Lead, we let the lead take it. If we have a double whistle, the lead has it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Could not disagree more.

You sell a call with your voice, presence, and STRONG mechanics. Not jumping around and making over the top gestures.

He looks, particularly in the first clip, like a clown. Period. That doesnt sell the call. It just makes the fact that he got the call wrong that much worse.

Agreed......laughable