refuses to play with 5

[just another ref]

A flagrant personal foul is a personal foul of a violent or savage nature. All personal fouls involve contact. Fighting may or may not involve contact. The contact, if it occurs, is secondary to the violent intent of the act.

The above is my interpretation.

The below is not.

10-3-8 tells us a player shall not be charged with fighting, listing the penalty as two free throws for the offended team plus the ball at the division line.

Where's the gray area here?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A flagrant personal foul is a personal foul of a violent or savage nature. All personal fouls involve contact. Fighting may or may not involve contact. The contact, if it occurs, is secondary to the violent intent of the act.

The above is my interpretation.

The below is not.

10-3-8 tells us a player shall not be charged with fighting, listing the penalty as two free throws for the offended team plus the ball at the division line.

Where's the gray area here?

The summary of penalties at the end of rule 10, section 8, tells us that the penalty for flagrant fouls that are fighting is always two plus the ball at the division line...so of course if it is a flagrant T as in 10-3-8 that would be the penalty...as it would for a flagrant personal for fighting during a live ball.

Anyway...