refuses to play with 5

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The difference is important. Flagrant personal fouls mean that the fouled player (or their substitute) shoots the free throws, whereas, flagrant technical fouls mean any opposing team player could shoot the free throws.

We are talking about a fight. In most cases, a fight will involve more than one person...that's why I made the comment above. If A5 and B4 are charged with fighting, your objection to my statement is made moot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If A5 and B4 are charged with fighting, your objection to my statement is made moot.

This is a double foul, no free throws, point of interruption, my concern is certainly moot. What if it isn't a double foul? Is my concern still moot?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is a double foul, no free throws, point of interruption, my concern is certainly moot. What if it isn't a double foul? Is my concern still moot?

No it is not. And it is one of the reasons why a punch thrown during a live ball is not a flagrant T. The player the punch was thrown at will be the shooter, or if punch landed and player is hurt, the sub will be the shooter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No it is not. And it is one of the reasons why a punch thrown during a live ball is not a flagrant T. The player the punch was thrown at will be the shooter, or if punch landed and player is hurt, the sub will be the shooter.

Camron's question still applies, why should a swing and a miss be penalized more heavily than a connected punch?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Camron's question still applies, why should a swing and a miss be penalized more heavily than a connected punch?

How is it being penalized more heavily?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

How is it being penalized more heavily?

Do you not consider the offended team getting to choose the free throw shooter a heavier penalty?

[rockyroad]

4-19 ART. 4

A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable *conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive *conduct. Fighting is a flagrant act.

A flagrant technical is dead ball contact. Fighting is a flagrant act...so if the fight occurs during a dead ball, it is a flagrant T. If the fight occurs during a live ball, it is a flagrant personal.