Ohio State v. Michigan

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

After talking with an observer from my conference regarding play #2:

Q: Does the UM's defense affect the RSBQ of OSU drive to the basket?
A: Yes. The illegal contact occurs before the ending drive to the basket.

The T is in poor position to officiate the play. The C has a closed look on the defender. The L is too far to make a call without seeming he is "fishing in someone's pond." However, the L should realize where the T is and has the best open look to see the constant riding on the OSU player's hip. I didn't see the whole game, but crew dynamics during the game are sometimes the reason calls are not made.

I totally disagree on the drive. For one they are running with each other. Also the OSU has his elbow out, which from my vantage point is not going to get you special consideration. The defender is just running with him. Also the dribble never loses the ball, stops from going where he wants to go or has to change direction. If anything the OSU is causing a lot of that contact.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

BTW...NCAAW just posted a video similar to a play like the last one (defender riding alongside the offensive player on the way to the goal) telling us it should be called since B1 isn't in LGP.

I will say I don't believe that should be applied here because the defender lost contact with the OSU player.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Are you guys that saying that play two is a hand check really gonna make that call in OSU / UM with four seconds to go.

In 24 hrs you would go from Chysler Arena and $ 3,000 a game to 10 u boys at the local Y for $25 a game.....

Now who wants to make that call??????

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Are you guys that saying that play two is a hand check really gonna make that call in OSU / UM with four seconds to go.

In 24 hrs you would go from Chysler Arena and $ 3,000 a game to 10 u boys at the local Y for $25 a game.....

Now who wants to make that call??????

CBS interview with NCAA director of officiating

This mentality of not calling a foul near the end of the game is in need of change. John Adams is trying to change that but it seems a lot of my fellow brethren are resistant to it.

I am also aware that certain conference supervisors don't agree with Mr. Adams' and address their staff how they want their conference games officiated. It puts the officials in a difficult situation and that is very unfortunate.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally disagree on the drive. For one they are running with each other. Also the OSU has his elbow out, which from my vantage point is not going to get you special consideration. The defender is just running with him. Also the dribble never loses the ball, stops from going where he wants to go or has to change direction. If anything the OSU is causing a lot of that contact.

Peace

Rut is exactly right when he says that the defender is running with him....ther is no attempt by the Mich player to reroute / impede...etc. the ball
handler. There is no "stayed hand" ( Al Battista lovers back east are laughing,,VA Terp / PG Ref / all you guys). This is a kid driving hard and a kid playin in your face D.

Now as far as me agreeeing with Rut twice in one week....any suggestions ?????

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

BTW...NCAAW just posted a video similar to a play like the last one (defender riding alongside the offensive player on the way to the goal) telling us it should be called since B1 isn't in LGP.

I will say I don't believe that should be applied here because the defender lost contact with the OSU player.

JMF -

No disrespect to you and the women's game, but I am not surprised. I have a very good friend on your side and he says at best OSU / Mich play is a 50 / 50 play. But can see why Debbie Williamson and the crowd wants that called.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

Again, call whatever you like. BUt you better call any shooter that is hit in the face and falls to the floor and IF every single time if that is the standard. If he was not playing the ball, certainly. He was playing the ball and that is what makes this an average foul for me.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

I agree you have rules support, but not common sense support. Not with how the rest of the game is called.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Now as far as me agreeeing with Rut twice in one week....any suggestions ?????

I cannot even think of the last time you or I had even a conversation let alone disagreed with each other. I guess my comments mean more to you than yours will ever mean to me.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot even think of the last time you or I had even a conversation let alone disagreed with each other. I guess my comments mean more to you than yours will ever mean to me.

Peace

Ouch...that will leave a mark!

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Ouch...that will leave a mark!

What I was really hoping for was a suggestion from Billy Mac......however I opened the can of worms so what Rut said is only fair.