Ohio State v. Michigan

[JRutledge]

I did not think that Play #1 was a FF1 as the rules do not support that call explicitly. I am not even sure I would call that in a HS game with those rules either.

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;

2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;

3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;

4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting; and

5. Contact with a player making a throw-in. (Women) This act shall also serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary. (See Rule 4-17.1.g.)

6. Illegal contact with an elbow that occurs above the shoulders of an opponent when the elbows are not swung excessively per 4-36.7.a.


Peace

[APG]

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not think that Play #1 was a FF1 as the rules do not support that call explicitly. I am not even sure I would call that in a HS game with those rules either.

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;

That one pretty much cover it....excessive contact.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That one pretty much cover it....excessive contact.

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

Again, call whatever you like. BUt you better call any shooter that is hit in the face and falls to the floor and IF every single time if that is the standard. If he was not playing the ball, certainly. He was playing the ball and that is what makes this an average foul for me.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

I agree you have rules support, but not common sense support. Not with how the rest of the game is called.

Peace