Ohio State v. Michigan

[scrounge]

I think Play #1 was a flagrant that went uncalled, with play #2 a foul - defender got him on the arm and top of head before the ball. But a no-call doesn't surprise me in that situation, it wasn't that blatant. But it was a foul.

[JRutledge]

I did not think that Play #1 was a FF1 as the rules do not support that call explicitly. I am not even sure I would call that in a HS game with those rules either.

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;

2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;

3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;

4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting; and

5. Contact with a player making a throw-in. (Women) This act shall also serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary. (See Rule 4-17.1.g.)

6. Illegal contact with an elbow that occurs above the shoulders of an opponent when the elbows are not swung excessively per 4-36.7.a.


Peace

[APG]

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not think that Play #1 was a FF1 as the rules do not support that call explicitly. I am not even sure I would call that in a HS game with those rules either.

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:

1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;

That one pretty much cover it....excessive contact.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That one pretty much cover it....excessive contact.

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

I agree you have rules support, but not common sense support. Not with how the rest of the game is called.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by scrounge

...with play #2 a foul - defender got him on the arm and top of head before the ball. But a no-call doesn't surprise me in that situation, it wasn't that blatant. But it was a foul.

While I'll agree with you on the arm, the contact with the head was not until after the ball was knocked free.

[scrounge]

Even Michigan players thought it was a foul...

"I saw the ball in my face, so I just tried to wrap it up," Hardaway said. "Probably got his arm or something like that, but like I said, it's up to the refs to call that call, and they let it go."

[sigh]

NCAA College Basketball Recap - Ohio State Buckeyes at Michigan Wolverines - Feb 05, 2013 - CBSSports.com

[bob jenkins]

No FF1.

No foul.

[zm1283]

No F1.

Good no call on the drive to the basket.

[dahoopref]

After talking with an observer from my conference regarding play #2:

Q: Does the UM's defense affect the RSBQ of OSU drive to the basket?
A: Yes. The illegal contact occurs before the ending drive to the basket.

The T is in poor position to officiate the play. The C has a closed look on the defender. The L is too far to make a call without seeming he is "fishing in someone's pond." However, the L should realize where the T is and has the best open look to see the constant riding on the OSU player's hip. I didn't see the whole game, but crew dynamics during the game are sometimes the reason calls are not made.