Player control signal?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Page 135 of the NCAA Rules:

I use that one too for loose ball fouls going the other way.

For PC fouls its with the same hand after the fist.

[bainsey]

Emphatic signals are frowned upon here in this northeast corner of Rome. Tweet & fist up, pause, color and number, hand behind head.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

On the spot, I don't think I have ever gone behind the head except maybe when I was doing intramural ball in college.

The main guy who trained me after college always said the punch looked much stronger and that's what I have typically done.

The punch came into the NFHS signal chart either in 2005 or 2006. In the summer of 2006 I was at a college camp and did a punch for an illegal screen. After the game our muscular observer asked me what the hell that was. My partners even chimed in that it was the new FED signal for TC control foul. Observer (remember college camp) said he didn't like it, he preferred just pointing the other way. So that has subconciously stuck with me ever since and I haven't been able to incorporate the punch into my mechanics.

[Welpe]

I have abandoned the PC signal and have this year adopted the fists on the hips mechanic for a block. Both feel more natural to me though I suspect I'll get roasted at camp this year for it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Emphatic signals are frowned upon here in this northeast corner of Rome. Tweet & fist up, pause, color and number, hand behind head.

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[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Emphatic signals are frowned upon here in this northeast corner of Rome. Tweet & fist up, pause, color and number, hand behind head.

The more I read about how some things are done in some of the the northeastern states, the more I'm glad I don't have to officiate in that region

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

The more I read about how some things are done in some of the the northeastern states, the more I'm glad I don't have to officiate in that region

Please don't call Maine a northeastern state. Those guys are almost in a different time zone, and a different climate zone. Who ever heard of a coastal state where you can only go swimming in the ocean during two weeks in July?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

The more I read about how some things are done in some of the the northeastern states, the more I'm glad I don't have to officiate in that region

You are certainly not alone in that assessment, but you just said it out loud.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by APG

The more I read about how some things are done in some of the the northeastern states, the more I'm glad I don't have to officiate in that region

Give and take. On the up side, and although I can't quantify this, I don't see any as many unsportsmanlike issues as there appears to be elsewhere.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Please don't call Maine a northeastern state.

Buy a map, Nutmeg. I grew up on those chilly waters. You flatlanders just don't have what it takes to handle our Gulf (which makes awesome lobsters). They make heated pools, y'know.

[26 Year Gap]

It is a downeastern state.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Please don't call Maine a northeastern state. Those guys are almost in a different time zone, and a different climate zone. Who ever heard of a coastal state where you can only go swimming in the ocean during two weeks in July?

You've never been to the west coast have you? Even down to central California, you will not find many beach goers in the water without a wetsuit at any time of the year but I'm pretty certain Washington, Oregon, and California are considered coastal.

[constable]

I hate the PC mechanic. It is weak. Doesn't allow you to properly sell the call. Why NFHS and NCAA still legislate it is beyond me.

When I do a HS game I try to use the behind the head signal. The problem in Ontario lies with the fact we do almost as many FIBA games as we do Federation.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by APG

I don't even use the player control signal...at the spot nor at the table. It might be one of the weakest officiating signals in all of sport. I use the team control punch.

Originally Posted by rekent

I absolutely agree and wish I could just go with this always. I have had evaluators rip me, repeatedly, because I "do not have a sufficient understanding of basic mechanics" because I don't do a by-the-book PC call.

Stupid...

Actually there's nothing stupid about it. A player control foul and a team control foul are NOT the same thing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Actually there's nothing stupid about it. A player control foul and a team control foul are NOT the same thing.

They essentially are now.

With the exception of the airborne shooter exception for the PC foul (which could just as easily be added to the TC rule) every player control foul, without the player control foul rule, would be a team control foul. The penalties are identical. The only thing the PC foul tells you is who the foul is on, specifically, but that is what numbers are for.

So, there is no longer any reason for them to be different.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

With the exception of the airborne shooter exception for the PC foul.....

Exactly. There is a difference, until such time as the rule is changed.

Bottom line, if you're being dinged on an eval for something over and over, it might be a good idea to conform. They obviously want it called that way until the rule is changed.