Player control signal?

[APG]

I don't even use the player control signal...at the spot nor at the table. It might be one of the weakest officiating signals in all of sport. I use the team control punch.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by APG

I don't even use the player control signal...at the spot nor at the table. It might be one of the weakest officiating signals in all of sport. I use the team control punch.

I absolutely agree and wish I could just go with this always. I have had evaluators rip me, repeatedly, because I "do not have a sufficient understanding of basic mechanics" because I don't do a by-the-book PC call.

Stupid...

[APG]

Originally Posted by rekent

I absolutely agree and wish I could just go with this always. I have had evaluators rip me, repeatedly, because I "do not have a sufficient understanding of basic mechanics" because I don't do a by-the-book PC call.

Stupid...

I'm guessing they'd get on you for using fists on the hips for a block instead of hands on the hip (which is another weak signal)...but when in Rome.

[OKREF]

I had a PC last night. Just came out with the punch. When I reported, used the PC signal. I rarely go behind the head on the initial play anymore.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by APG

I'm guessing they'd get on you for using fists on the hips for a block instead of hands on the hip (which is another weak signal)...but when in Rome.

Oh yes, I have been dinged for that one too... and yet when the same person officiates guess what I see?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rekent

Oh yes, I have been dinged for that one too... and yet when the same person officiates guess what I see?

Don't know your experience level but if you are relatively new or trying to move up to the the observor's level one of the things they want to know is if you do know all the proper mechanics.

Before you can vary from the book you have to prove that you know the book.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't know your experience level but if you are relatively new or trying to move up to the the observor's level one of the things they want to know is if you do know all the proper mechanics.

Before you can vary from the book you have to prove that you know the book.

I'm 4 years in so not brand new, but no respect yet either I suppose. I've shown I know the book from exams though too.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rekent

I'm 4 years in so not brand new, but no respect yet either I suppose. I've shown I know the book from exams though too.

Rules knowledge (check), mechanics (?), rules application (?), judgment (?).

I'm in my 11th season and still work on improving my mechanics. I am very strong with my table presentation but seeing myself on video a lot this season I see I still need a lot of improvement with my mechanics/posture/body movement after I blow my whistle and before I move to report my fouls.

Also, a lot of what observers tell you is to see if you can listen and adjust. Next time that observer sees you he'll notice whether or not you changed your mechanics accordingly. It also prepares you for when you start working for mulitple supervisors at the HS level and above.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rekent

I'm 4 years in so not brand new, but no respect yet either I suppose. I've shown I know the book from exams though too.

Figure 34 in the book. Plus the direction, as others have noted.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by APG

I'm guessing they'd get on you for using fists on the hips for a block instead of hands on the hip (which is another weak signal)...but when in Rome.

Agreed. Initial call, use the fist. At the table I go with the hands.

[Mark Padgett]

I put one hand behind my head and use the other to point to a hot mom in the bleachers. My partners really appreciate it.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I put one hand behind my head and use the other to point to a hot mom in the bleachers. My partners really appreciate it.

Especially, if you happen to be in that little corner of...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by APG

I don't even use the player control signal...at the spot nor at the table. It might be one of the weakest officiating signals in all of sport. I use the team control punch.

Originally Posted by rekent

I absolutely agree and wish I could just go with this always. I have had evaluators rip me, repeatedly, because I "do not have a sufficient understanding of basic mechanics" because I don't do a by-the-book PC call.

Stupid...

Actually there's nothing stupid about it. A player control foul and a team control foul are NOT the same thing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Actually there's nothing stupid about it. A player control foul and a team control foul are NOT the same thing.

They essentially are now.

With the exception of the airborne shooter exception for the PC foul (which could just as easily be added to the TC rule) every player control foul, without the player control foul rule, would be a team control foul. The penalties are identical. The only thing the PC foul tells you is who the foul is on, specifically, but that is what numbers are for.

So, there is no longer any reason for them to be different.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

With the exception of the airborne shooter exception for the PC foul.....

Exactly. There is a difference, until such time as the rule is changed.

Bottom line, if you're being dinged on an eval for something over and over, it might be a good idea to conform. They obviously want it called that way until the rule is changed.