Handled Correctly?

[maroonx]

Wow. 67 miles / 89 miles. It's mostly 56 miles for me and that's for rec. you handled it correctly. we officials love and care what we do. Love this forum.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shades

My general rule is my ears dont work well.
For the most part, if a coach doesnt physically assault me I am
not going to draw any more attention to him or myself than is
absolutely necessary.

Your bar is too low - all you're doing is being the guy the coach refers to when he tells other officials, "But the last guy didn't give me a T for that." Don't leave messes for your successors to clean up.

It never leaves a good feeling for the remainder of the game or the ride home when I "T" anyone up.

Honestly, I think this is the root of the reason you're not calling the T's when you should. You should have little or no emotion regarding issuing a technical foul. Come to it with the point of view that you are merely announcing the infraction - just like any other foul. Coach earns his own T, and you should not feel bad or good about it --- just like any other foul or violation you call during the game.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't think it's our job to ensure any team wins. It's our job to enforce the rules equitably for both teams.

Right. Sometimes the team that plays better in every aspect of the game (except final score) loses.

We ensure that the team that wins according to fair enforcement of the rules, wins.

(And, for the record, I think this trivial statement is probably all Bob meant to say.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by maven

Right. Sometimes the team that plays better in every aspect of the game (except final score) loses.

then they didn't play better.

[shades]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

So if a coach tells you that your F'en horrible and you would just ignore it? It is this type of attitude that makes it harder for the next guys...

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

[shades]

were on the same team guys

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by shades

were on the same team guys

Yes, and your first post in the thread came off sounding like you let coaches run all over you as long as they don't get physical.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by maven

"If the officials blow their whistles..." What does that even mean?

Depending on how quiet the crowd was, I probably would not have heard this statement (or part of a statement?). As a general rule, if I can't figure out what a coach is saying or implying, then it doesn't warrant my attention.

The tone or behavior might warrant a "knock it off," but the substance here does not, IMO. My usual response to "I wasn't talking to you," is "Coach, I know who you were talking to." That response is neither disputatious nor does it invite a reply.

+1. If that is all I hear during a timeout and I don't know the context at all, I'm not even going to address it. Now if he is pointing at me or staring at me while he's saying it and trying to act like he's talking to his team but it's obvious he is talking to me, that's a different story.

[APG]

Originally Posted by shades

were on the same team guys

Yes, this may be true, but it doesn't mean we have to agree with the advice given by everyone.

For example, I don't feel bad about handing out a properly earned T...sometimes a player/coach will not heed a warning, or they cross the line before they can be warned. I don't feel good though if I hand out an unjust T or don't hand one out that should have been assessed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?

Really?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

That's not what was said in the post you responded to.

I whacked a coach in a similar scenario a few weeks ago. Routine foul. Bonus -- we're shooting at the other end of the floor. I'm tableside trail.

"Where did they get these guys? These guys are terrible."

Whack.

"I was talking to my assistant! Can't I talk to my staff?"

"If I can hear you all the way down there, you may as well have been talking to me."

As I'm heading opposite to get out of the kitchen, I pass the center who's coming over and all he said as he passed was, "If you hadn't gotten that, I was right behind you." He heard her across the court, too. Who cares who she's "talking to."

You don't make it over the years being a gunslinger, but I'd argue you never really make it if you are a wallflower, either.

Back to the original post. Not sure I would've said anything there. But I wasn't in the moment, either.

And it's been a quiet year for me -- I only remember 5 technical fouls I've personally called. And 3 were on players.

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

WOW.... so out of left field...

IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION !!!!!

You said anything short of a physical attack was going to be ignored by you. So I was posing a what if.... You need to relax.

I am also not getting where your personal attack on me is coming from based off me asking a hypothetical questions

[maroonx]

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

There's a progression I'm fond of for routine situations like this (and for this, let's assume that I'm stuck in front of the coach and can't get out of his pocket).

Ignore - Wave - Warn - Whack

I'll ignore it the first time if it's not over the top. Sometimes a coach engages mouth before brain.

Second time, I'll say something like, "I hear you, John."

Third time, "You've made your point. Move on."

Next time, I'm whacking him. I gave him plenty of chances to move on.