Handled Correctly?

[maroonx]

That's amazin so few in that amount of time. I have a policy " Don't break into jail ". Tech speak for themselves admin or otherwise. At the end of the day, the game usually becomes a good contest after the riff raft is eliminated.

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by maroonx

That's amazin so few in that amount of time. I have a policy " Don't break into jail ". Tech speak for themselves admin or otherwise. At the end of the day, the game usually becomes a good contest after the riff raft is eliminated.

Probably a few more as I just remebered the one last year for a clip-board sailing across the court after a charge call the coach didn't like :-)

But I can say that I have probably had no more than 10. For the most part around here the coaches know how to pick their battles

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

Last night? Twice

[Andy]

Originally Posted by RSturgell

1 minute left in game. Home team down 4. 30 sec. timeout called and I am standing at top of key in front of home team's bench. Coach is in huddle talking to his players. Coach goes from talking in normal tone to looking at me and stating "If the officials blow their whistles" and then continues timeout. 1st horn blows I go to advise 1st horn and coach turns his back to me. I back up and wait for 2nd horn. 2nd horn sounds I go up to coach and tell him I'm not going to listen to stuff like that. I start to leave, he says he was just talking to his team. I stop and tell him "No you were not, both you and I know what you were doing and that is enough." As I leave someone on the bench mutters something about being a tough guy. I leave it alone and go downcourt.
Thought about giving bench a T but didn't. Thoughts?

I read...

Coach goes from talking in normal tone to looking at me and stating "If the officials blow their whistles"

...as this coach intentionally saying this for you to hear.


I would like to know a bit more about the situation and the game up until that point. If you hadn't heard much from coach up until now, I agree with how you handled it and you could have even ignored it. If he has been howling all night, this may be "T" worthy.

Originally Posted by RSturgell

Coach goes from talking in normal tone to looking at me and stating "If the officials blow their whistles" and then continues timeout.

I need more information, more context. How do you know the coach did not say "If the officials blow their whistles.....be polite and respectful to them and ask what you did wrong" or something like that. Sure, it seems like the coach is saying something negative about the officials, but without more context we don't/can't know for sure.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

I need more information, more context. How do you know the coach did not say "If the officials blow their whistles.....be polite and respectful to them and ask what you did wrong" or something like that. Sure, it seems like the coach is saying something negative about the officials, but without more context we don't/can't know for sure.

We don't know in this case, but I think the moral of the story is that coaches do not get to take free pot shots at the crew by "talking to my bench/player". I'm quick to warn a coach about doing that and like I said, last night I rung up my first coach of the season for doing it a 2nd time.

Whether you 'T' it or not, it's needs to be addressed in some way, shape, or form....IMHO

[shades]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

But as you said, most of us go years and only issue a few techs, Ive gone entire seasons with maybe 1.

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I find, pardon my personal opinion, that 99% of the "that was terrible" type of comments are heat of the moment and rarely offend anything other than your ego.

Its a tough sport in that regard, with fans hurling their opinions courtside, heat of the battle reactions from players as well as coaches are part of the competitive close quarter nature of basketball.

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will. If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.
And will realize, quite quickly I might add, that his being verbaly out of line only reflects on his sour grapes...
AND
when you have finally had enough, and it happens, it reflects better on you as an "official" if you werent so trigger happy at the onset.
I guess Im saying give him some rope, if he chooses to hang "himself" with it then so be it.

jmo boys

[Adam]

I really hope you don't train new refs with this stuff.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by shades

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

Wow.

Was this said by a guy who was formerly a coach? Or just likes to buddy up to them?

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by shades

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will.

So does taking care of bidness...

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's a progression I'm fond of for routine situations like this (and for this, let's assume that I'm stuck in front of the coach and can't get out of his pocket).

Ignore - Wave - Warn - Whack

I'll ignore it the first time if it's not over the top. Sometimes a coach engages mouth before brain.

Second time, I'll say something like, "I hear you, John."

Third time, "You've made your point. Move on."

Next time, I'm whacking him. I gave him plenty of chances to move on.

Good stuff.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by shades

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will.

I'm starting to understand that it's not just your actions, it's your entire mindset that is off.

Your point of view seems to originate from how others view you. And you assume that everyone else feels this way too. No one I know issues a technical foul because he wants to gain respect. The fact that you think others do is rather disturbing to be honest. Further, you advocate having a thick skin (in other words - ignoring when coach crosses the line ... unless he gets physical of course) in order to gain respect. Again - why? Your actions on the court should not be motivated positively or negatively by your desire to be respected by coaches. (And if we're being honest --- ignoring coach tirades or comments when you should be handling business is not gaining you any respect out there... it's gaining you a reputation as an official that can be walked on).

If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.

I do not care whether the coaches, players, and fans think I'm doing a good job. You shouldn't either. And you certainly shouldn't be advocating that others worry about it. The opinions of my peers, supervisors, schedulers, etc is what matters.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by shades

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I get to the whack a long time before being physically abused. Those of us that officiate high school sports -- we all have a role in promoting good sportsmanship. If I allow a coach to continue to act up, I'm as much of the problem as he is.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by shades

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

But as you said, most of us go years and only issue a few techs, Ive gone entire seasons with maybe 1.

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I find, pardon my personal opinion, that 99% of the "that was terrible" type of comments are heat of the moment and rarely offend anything other than your ego.

Its a tough sport in that regard, with fans hurling their opinions courtside, heat of the battle reactions from players as well as coaches are part of the competitive close quarter nature of basketball.

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will. If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.
And will realize, quite quickly I might add, that his being verbaly out of line only reflects on his sour grapes...
AND
when you have finally had enough, and it happens, it reflects better on you as an "official" if you werent so trigger happy at the onset.
I guess Im saying give him some rope, if he chooses to hang "himself" with it then so be it.

jmo boys

Speak for yourself. I have four this year. Two HC (below), a player for grabbing the rim in warmups, and a player for complaining.

So the coach that threatened me with a bad rating a couple of weeks ago didn't deserve the technical he got? He wasn't anywhere close to physically contacting me, and wasn't even yelling for that matter.

What about the coach the my parter whacked for announcing the foul count during a FT? The same one that I whacked a short time later and ejected when he told us we're terrible. He wasn't going to physically abuse me. Should I have just laughed that one off too as "He's just ventin'!"

Remind me to stay far, far away from you.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by shades

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

...and I am sure you are a fine official, my friend. May I make some observations, just by what I have "heard" from you.

a) you may be somewhat intiminated by coaches and/or put them on pedestal

b) you are under 29 years old

c) you are not afraid to express your opinions

d) you are a coach's wife/or want to be one

How many did I get right?