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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 10:56am
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I was officiating boys MS basketball game with a new partner last week. The first game of the night went very well as did the second game until about 1 minute left. H1 goes up for layup and misses, V1 gets rebound. I start heading the other way and see that home team steals ball and goes up for layup, as I'm changing direction it "appears" that H1 gets hammered going up for layup. Partner (lead) doesn't have anything... Home coach is very upset (has been exemplary all game) and comes out on the floor and yells at partner "You have to call that or someone is going to get hurt ". Partner T's him up.....

I'm talking with the coach, trying to "cool things off" as FT's administered..... He says to me, " There's only a minute left and we are behind by 10 so the foul doesn't make any difference in the game , I get that,,,,, but he's gotta call something, my player really could have gotten hurt". I tell the coach that my partner had a really good look at the play and maybe from his view (coach's) it looked like a foul but I have trust my partner. Coach calmed down and was fine with my explanation.

As we are entering locker room, partner says "That coach is out of his mind if he thinks I was going to call that foul with 1 minute left. The player got fouled but he should have made the layup the first time". The comment took a few seconds for me to process......... as we are starting to get dressed he asked what I thought and I told him I call the game till the buzzer goes off and I would have called it if it was a foul. He didn't say anything else, grabbed his belongings and left without saying a word.

Did I handle it right ?? I have him a couple more times this year .

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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 11:04am
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You said what I would have said.
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 11:11am
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Did I handle it right ??
You handled it correctly on the court, i.e, not throwing your partner under the bus.

And, you handled it correctly in the locker room, i.e., giving your partner a tip on how to improve his game.

Two different places, two different approaches to handling the situation.
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 11:15am
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I won't pretend that games are called exactly the same at the end of blowouts as they are in the first minute.

And yet, I make sure we get every foul we need to get. Your partner needs to learn this.
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 11:16am
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tell your partner that HE was the problem, not the coach....

If HE called the foul like he was supposed to, the coach wouldn't have gotten the T!
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 11:47am
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tell your partner that HE was the problem, not the coach....

If HE called the foul like he was supposed to, the coach wouldn't have gotten the T!
There were two problems with the play. The partner and the coach.

The partner, as most will agree has to officiate the game to the end.

The coach has no business being on the floor. What if the partner was officiating the game to the end and just missed it? We've all had that once or twice in our careers, however that's not license for the coach to get stupid.
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I have no problem with what you said to your partner. I probably would have said something to the coach about his behavior no matter how he liked or disliked the call. Two wrongs do not make it right. But what you said to your partner was very appropriate and probably the reason he needed to learn the situation to officiate. It was a MS game a probably someone that still is learning and has these philosophies that often do not fit our profession very well like not calling fous at the end of the game.

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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 06:51pm
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I He says to me, " There's only a minute left and we are behind by 10 so the foul doesn't make any difference in the game , I get that,,,,, but he's gotta call something, my player really could have gotten hurt".
"Coach, whether we call a foul or not, it isn't going to prevent your player from getting hurt. "
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 07:35pm
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I was officiating boys MS basketball game with a new partner last week. The first game of the night went very well as did the second game until about 1 minute left. H1 goes up for layup and misses, V1 gets rebound. I start heading the other way and see that home team steals ball and goes up for layup, as I'm changing direction it "appears" that H1 gets hammered going up for layup. Partner (lead) doesn't have anything... Home coach is very upset (has been exemplary all game) and comes out on the floor and yells at partner "You have to call that or someone is going to get hurt ". Partner T's him up.....

I'm talking with the coach, trying to "cool things off" as FT's administered..... He says to me, " There's only a minute left and we are behind by 10 so the foul doesn't make any difference in the game , I get that,,,,, but he's gotta call something, my player really could have gotten hurt". I tell the coach that my partner had a really good look at the play and maybe from his view (coach's) it looked like a foul but I have trust my partner. Coach calmed down and was fine with my explanation.

As we are entering locker room, partner says "That coach is out of his mind if he thinks I was going to call that foul with 1 minute left. The player got fouled but he should have made the layup the first time". The comment took a few seconds for me to process......... as we are starting to get dressed he asked what I thought and I told him I call the game till the buzzer goes off and I would have called it if it was a foul. He didn't say anything else, grabbed his belongings and left without saying a word.

Did I handle it right ?? I have him a couple more times this year .

Thanks
I might be in the minority here, but I really think you need to stay away from "cooling off" the coach and saying you think he did not referee til the end. If you had been my partner we probably would have had a "discussion" about that.

If you want to disagree with the no-call, that's fine but you did not have the same look.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was an obvious foul that needed to be called, then blow your whistle and call it.

If you are going to throw your partner under the bus, fix things with the coach, and then say that you thought he didn't finish the game, you are no better than your partner and are riding in the same boat.

You said it was a foul, then come in with a crew call, that way you only big time the guy once.
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I was officiating boys MS basketball game with a new partner last week. The first game of the night went very well as did the second game until about 1 minute left. H1 goes up for layup and misses, V1 gets rebound. I start heading the other way and see that home team steals ball and goes up for layup, as I'm changing direction it "appears" that H1 gets hammered going up for layup. Partner (lead) doesn't have anything... Home coach is very upset (has been exemplary all game) and comes out on the floor and yells at partner "You have to call that or someone is going to get hurt ". Partner T's him up.....

I'm talking with the coach, trying to "cool things off" as FT's administered..... He says to me, " There's only a minute left and we are behind by 10 so the foul doesn't make any difference in the game , I get that,,,,, but he's gotta call something, my player really could have gotten hurt". I tell the coach that my partner had a really good look at the play and maybe from his view (coach's) it looked like a foul but I have trust my partner. Coach calmed down and was fine with my explanation.

As we are entering locker room, partner says "That coach is out of his mind if he thinks I was going to call that foul with 1 minute left. The player got fouled but he should have made the layup the first time". The comment took a few seconds for me to process......... as we are starting to get dressed he asked what I thought and I told him I call the game till the buzzer goes off and I would have called it if it was a foul. He didn't say anything else, grabbed his belongings and left without saying a word.

Did I handle it right ?? I have him a couple more times this year .

Thanks
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Old Sun Nov 04, 2012, 09:05pm
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I might be in the minority here, but I really think you need to stay away from "cooling off" the coach and saying you think he did not referee til the end. If you had been my partner we probably would have had a "discussion" about that.

If you want to disagree with the no-call, that's fine but you did not have the same look.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was an obvious foul that needed to be called, then blow your whistle and call it.

If you are going to throw your partner under the bus, fix things with the coach, and then say that you thought he didn't finish the game, you are no better than your partner and are riding in the same boat.

You said it was a foul, then come in with a crew call, that way you only big time the guy once.
Where exactly did he go wrong?

He deferred to his partner with the coach.

He told his partner, in the locker room, what he thought only after he asked. As for whether it was a foul, that information comes from the OP's partner, who said it was a foul and that he didn't call it because of the time and the fact that he felt the player shouldn't have missed the layup.
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I might be in the minority here, but I really think you need to stay away from "cooling off" the coach and saying you think he did not referee til the end. If you had been my partner we probably would have had a "discussion" about that.

If you want to disagree with the no-call, that's fine but you did not have the same look.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was an obvious foul that needed to be called, then blow your whistle and call it.

If you are going to throw your partner under the bus, fix things with the coach, and then say that you thought he didn't finish the game, you are no better than your partner and are riding in the same boat.

You said it was a foul, then come in with a crew call, that way you only big time the guy once.
Go back and read the OP again because you must have misread the sequence of events. Nowhere did the OP throw his partner under the bus.
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I won't pretend that games are called exactly the same at the end of blowouts as they are in the first minute.

And yet, I make sure we get every foul we need to get. Your partner needs to learn this.
And the foul we need to get in this case is in favor of the team DOWN by 10....
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Thanks to everyone for their responses..... I had hoped I'd handled it correctly .....

Thanks again.
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I might be in the minority here, but I really think you need to stay away from "cooling off" the coach and saying you think he did not referee til the end. If you had been my partner we probably would have had a "discussion" about that.

If you want to disagree with the no-call, that's fine but you did not have the same look.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was an obvious foul that needed to be called, then blow your whistle and call it.

If you are going to throw your partner under the bus, fix things with the coach, and then say that you thought he didn't finish the game, you are no better than your partner and are riding in the same boat.

You said it was a foul, then come in with a crew call, that way you only big time the guy once.
There's so much wrong in here I don't know where to start... so I won't.
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