Handled Correctly?

[shades]

My general rule is my ears dont work well.
For the most part, if a coach doesnt physically assault me I am
not going to draw any more attention to him or myself than is
absolutely necessary. It never leaves a good feeling for the remainder of the game or the ride home when I "T" anyone up. I fnd if you make eye contact and let him know you "could" have just "t'd" hm but didnt... it difuses the situation. And with a kid, remember he's just that. I usually quietly approach him next break in the action and say something mature to him in a warning fassion.
Of course theres always the inexcusible and the problem child whether it be kid or adult.
What I am suggesting is the only automatics are the physical violations, ie fighting, pushing, etc.

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

My general rule is my ears dont work well.
For the most part, if a coach doesnt physically assault me I am
not going to draw any more attention to him or myself ......

What I am suggesting is the only automatics are the physical violations, ie fighting, pushing, etc.

So if a coach tells you that your F'en horrible and you would just ignore it? It is this type of attitude that makes it harder for the next guys...

[shades]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

So if a coach tells you that your F'en horrible and you would just ignore it? It is this type of attitude that makes it harder for the next guys...

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?

Really?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

That's not what was said in the post you responded to.

I whacked a coach in a similar scenario a few weeks ago. Routine foul. Bonus -- we're shooting at the other end of the floor. I'm tableside trail.

"Where did they get these guys? These guys are terrible."

Whack.

"I was talking to my assistant! Can't I talk to my staff?"

"If I can hear you all the way down there, you may as well have been talking to me."

As I'm heading opposite to get out of the kitchen, I pass the center who's coming over and all he said as he passed was, "If you hadn't gotten that, I was right behind you." He heard her across the court, too. Who cares who she's "talking to."

You don't make it over the years being a gunslinger, but I'd argue you never really make it if you are a wallflower, either.

Back to the original post. Not sure I would've said anything there. But I wasn't in the moment, either.

And it's been a quiet year for me -- I only remember 5 technical fouls I've personally called. And 3 were on players.

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

WOW.... so out of left field...

IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION !!!!!

You said anything short of a physical attack was going to be ignored by you. So I was posing a what if.... You need to relax.

I am also not getting where your personal attack on me is coming from based off me asking a hypothetical questions

[maroonx]

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

There's a progression I'm fond of for routine situations like this (and for this, let's assume that I'm stuck in front of the coach and can't get out of his pocket).

Ignore - Wave - Warn - Whack

I'll ignore it the first time if it's not over the top. Sometimes a coach engages mouth before brain.

Second time, I'll say something like, "I hear you, John."

Third time, "You've made your point. Move on."

Next time, I'm whacking him. I gave him plenty of chances to move on.

[maroonx]

That's amazin so few in that amount of time. I have a policy " Don't break into jail ". Tech speak for themselves admin or otherwise. At the end of the day, the game usually becomes a good contest after the riff raft is eliminated.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's a progression I'm fond of for routine situations like this (and for this, let's assume that I'm stuck in front of the coach and can't get out of his pocket).

Ignore - Wave - Warn - Whack

I'll ignore it the first time if it's not over the top. Sometimes a coach engages mouth before brain.

Second time, I'll say something like, "I hear you, John."

Third time, "You've made your point. Move on."

Next time, I'm whacking him. I gave him plenty of chances to move on.

Good stuff.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How many times does a coach get to say "that was terrible" before getting td?

Last night? Twice

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by shades

Who said he dropped the "F" bomb?
If he drops the "f" bomb in front of kids then yes he gets "td",
Do you look for arguments? If you have been around for any length of time
you would hear what I'm saying. This forum is supposed to be kind suggestions and passing along experience to younger ref's. were all family remember, or did you skip class that night?
You have to "make" me T you, I don't go out there
all gunslinger, you wont be around long. Some of the guys I work with all the time we have a sort of good cop bad cop set up to deal with the hard cores.
theres no perfect way to deal with unruly coaches, just remember.

if you "t" a coach every time you hear "that call was terrible" then thats your gig papi, I just hope I dont ever get paired with you.

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

[shades]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Oh... and by the way... I have been at this 13 years and in that time have probably issued 6 technical fouls. Half were administrative, one was for an excess time-out and the rest were in wreck games

And I am sure you are a fine ref.

But as you said, most of us go years and only issue a few techs, Ive gone entire seasons with maybe 1.

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

I find, pardon my personal opinion, that 99% of the "that was terrible" type of comments are heat of the moment and rarely offend anything other than your ego.

Its a tough sport in that regard, with fans hurling their opinions courtside, heat of the battle reactions from players as well as coaches are part of the competitive close quarter nature of basketball.

A thick skin goes a long way in gaining the respect that some seem to think only T'ing them up will. If you are doing your job, and doing it well, that coach, the players and the fans knows it.
And will realize, quite quickly I might add, that his being verbaly out of line only reflects on his sour grapes...
AND
when you have finally had enough, and it happens, it reflects better on you as an "official" if you werent so trigger happy at the onset.
I guess Im saying give him some rope, if he chooses to hang "himself" with it then so be it.

jmo boys

[Adam]

I really hope you don't train new refs with this stuff.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by shades

My point was just that, for new refs seriously asking "what would you have done" we should point out to them that the absolute next to the last thing, right before allowing yourself to be physically abused we want to do is T someone up. Especially a coach.

Wow.

Was this said by a guy who was formerly a coach? Or just likes to buddy up to them?