Game Management

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If that contact/no contact was on film/video, what would it show?

If it clearly showed no foul, and said coach watched it with you, how would he react? If you ask him directly, "do you want me to contravene my integrity and call a non-existent foul?", what would he say?

I think, after the fact, he would be fine, but I don't think that's the point. I think the point was it was a heat of the moment kind of thing that could have been diffused with a call. A game management tool. This was the takeaway I was supposed to get from it.

Could it have been a foul in another game? Maybe - there was contact. Would it have been a foul at any other time in this game? No.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I think, after the fact, he would be fine, but I don't think that's the point. I think the point was it was a heat of the moment kind of thing that could have been diffused with a call. A game management tool. This was the takeaway I was supposed to get from it.

Could it have been a foul in another game? Maybe - there was contact. Would it have been a foul at any other time in this game? No.

A double-edged sword of sorts. Consistency, or satisfy a coach. I guess you have to decide what fits in your local group.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A double-edged sword of sorts. Consistency, or satisfy a coach. I guess you have to decide what fits in your local group.

That's why I am still thinking about it. But there have always been things I have had to compromise on as I've moved up in any association. I really do get his point - it's just not the mindframe I'm used to being in.

[JugglingReferee]

For what it's worth, I think consistency is *always the point*. That's just me, though.

17 years ago when I first went to camp, the camp leaders (then college ball officials and now national and international officials) had us in groups to discuss the issues from non-officials angles. The two elements that each group came up with were consistency and communication. When a good friend of mine went to camp 10 years ago, the same conclusions were met. Now that I train my local board inexperienced officials, I asked them about their recent camp experiences. "Consistency and communication" were the two elements stressed. Guess what? 10 years from now it will be consistency and communication.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A double-edged sword of sorts. Consistency, or satisfy a coach. I guess you have to decide what fits in your local group.

Consistency? I have consistency in a blow out game...the player of the team losing breaks away for a 3 ft. jump shot...there is some "contact"...

I have a foul...almost always...what is NOT consistent with that?

Listen to your "big dawg" Smitty.

Having said that and having read a lot about wiggle room and such, in this forum, newer officials should BEWARE!

I tell newer officials to just call the game. Call what they see. In my experiences...when I have tried to explain some of these "philosophical" principals that we have been discussing here...the officials' eyes glaze over and they end up not knowing if they should call a foul, travel, 3 seconds, enforce the box, etc. or when they should or should not call said violations and fouls.

I totally agree with Smitty's "big dawg's" philosophy.

But, you better have some credability and experience before you get too comfortable using that philosophy in a game situation.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

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Thanks for that.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Thanks for that.

Your Welcome, "Big Dawg"...

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Your Welcome, "Big Dawg"...

My welcome what?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Consistency? I have consistency in a blow out game...the player of the team losing breaks away for a 3 ft. jump shot...there is some "contact"...

I have a foul...almost always...what is NOT consistent with that?

Listen to your "big dawg" Smitty.

Having said that and having read a lot about wiggle room and such, in this forum, newer officials should BEWARE!

I tell newer officials to just call the game. Call what they see. In my experiences...when I have tried to explain some of these "philosophical" principals that we have been discussing here...the officials' eyes glaze over and they end up not knowing if they should call a foul, travel, 3 seconds, enforce the box, etc. or when they should or should not call said violations and fouls.

I totally agree with Smitty's "big dawg's" philosophy.

But, you better have some credability and experience before you get too comfortable using that philosophy in a game situation.

Post of the week.

[upanddown]

I get the general opinion when in a blowout game and issue being fair consistant and pecisehen making the tough call versus no call or making a mercy call when outcome has no bearing. But its evaluating the entire game in hindsite for that fair and consistant ending that begs me to frame a solid pregame, half and post the next time. Yes Im looking for that perfect pre mid post and during the game communication where the entire crew is in sync start to finish without philisophical, style or personality imbalance. I believe it can happen it s hould happen because its for kids players fans and the game.