ESPN High school game Block Charge

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call.

I watched it again to check location -- yup, that's one that the C has to get in transition.

[Brad]

Lead is pretty much straight-lined. When you reach across the lane from lead like that, this is the result.

This is a PC and not even close — not sure how anyone could even debate it (although I will not be surprised if someone does).

This is an easy, easy, easy call if you are watching the defense. Don't even understand how we can miss calls like this one. Get the easy ones because you are sure to miss a couple of the tough ones!!

[Camron Rust]

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

CR, I disagree. Yes, he's a secondary defender but he also was the only defender to contest the shooter. Both the C and the L have a clear look - the only player who could've possibly gotten in the C's way was Black #11 and it doesn't appear as though he does.

Last but not least, the crash was in the C's primary. The L needs to let the C get that first. If there's no whistle make a call but at least give the guy a chance. By the same token the C needed to be ready to make that call. If he's looking ahead of the play, which he should've been since neither the initial dribbler nor the player who ended up with the ball had a defender on them for most of the play, he sees B1 and gets ready for what might happen.

One of my first thoughts watching the play was it was a two-person call made in a three-person game.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

+1

But that C looks like he's jogging when the play develops. He needs a little more hustle on that play.

[JRutledge]

I wonder do officials in many cases even know what "Referee the Defense" is? This was not even close.

Peace

[DLH17]

What's with those NBA issue officiating shirts?

[Welpe]

Those look like the shirts the state final officials in Texas have been wearing.

[VaTerp]

We use those shirts, or a similar one made by Smitty, for all of the high level AAU I do for one of my assignors. I actually like the fit and look of them much better than the traditional black and whites I have.

As for the call, I agree with some previous observations that in transition I think the L has just as good a look if not better than the C on this play. He should have been refereeing the defense and had an easy PC on this one.

Also, the C does seem to be too slow to accelerate at the beginning of the play but not sure if he caught up or not and what kind of angle he ended up with or if he had a whistle as well.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

You're correct. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm very comfortable with the L making the call here. If you look at this entire play, he has one defender that will make this play difficult and it's the kid who attempts to take the charge.

The C doesn't have a better look than the L and I would say has a slightly worse look.

And yet, he still misss the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay, you win. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.



Then why did he miss the call?

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

That is why I say this is transition, there are times you have to help each other out. I have seen a lot of missed block/charge situation that had nothing to do with calling across the lane. I just think he did not referee the defense and it is that simple in my mind.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

I remember talking to an NBA official about this — they did a study that confirmed your numbers ... 80-90% of the time the lead was wrong when the reached like this.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.

Amen.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not the typical play where we have primary coverage.

Actually, based on what I posted earlier from the NFHS Officials' Manual, it is. This wasn't a quick turn off of a steal. It was a run-of-the-mill transition play and based on where contact took place it was the C's call to make since it was on his side of the floor.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is why I say this is transition, there are times you have to help each other out.

Yes, there are times you have to help your partner out in transition or not but you at least have to give your partner a chance to make the call. The L didn't give his partner a chance in this case.

Originally Posted by Toren

However, it could have been that the defender leaned his upper torso into the pathway of the offensive player and we can't see that from this angle.

I would argue that we can see something like this better from the camera angle than the L can from behind the defender. That's why the C is supposed to take plays like this that originate on their side of the floor. They can see a lean-in, if there is one. The only other person who would be able to see it properly would be the T.