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Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:38pm

ESPN High school game Block Charge
 
Montverde Fl vs. Simeon Il- about 2:10 left in the 3rd quarter. Can the magical person who can pull video from a hat and post it? The official had a block, I had an easy peasy PC.

just another ref Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:43pm

I'm certain of one thing at this point. One of you was wrong.

referee99 Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:50am

Agree that one of you was wrong...
 
.... and it sure as hell wasn't you!

JetMetFan Sun Jan 06, 2013 07:54am

Hopefully APG (or I) can post this play later but...

It was a PC. I watched the play four extra times to try to figure out what the Montverede defender did wrong and couldn't find anything.

For those who haven't seen it: Three-person crew and it was a transition situation. The L made the call. The defender was standing on the opposite lane line a little more than halfway up the lane when contact was made.

Forksref Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:54pm

I've gotten into the habit of once a fast break is starting that, as the L, I start to zero in on the defenders and officiate the defense prior to the offensive player(s) getting there. "Coach, I saw it all the way."

APG Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:48pm

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BktBallRef Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:51pm

That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call. :(

JugglingReferee Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:53pm

He must have thought the little hop lost B's previous LGP.

I've got a PC all the way.

Did the C call anything?

Rich Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 870549)
That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call. :(

I watched it again to check location -- yup, that's one that the C has to get in transition.

Brad Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:22pm

Lead is pretty much straight-lined. When you reach across the lane from lead like that, this is the result.

This is a PC and not even close — not sure how anyone could even debate it (although I will not be surprised if someone does).

This is an easy, easy, easy call if you are watching the defense. Don't even understand how we can miss calls like this one. Get the easy ones because you are sure to miss a couple of the tough ones!!

Camron Rust Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:08pm

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

bainsey Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 870549)
That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call. :(

Not only that, he had two fouls... one for each fist up.

Brad Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 870587)
Not only that, he had two fouls... one for each fist up.

False double imo

JetMetFan Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870585)
Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

CR, I disagree. Yes, he's a secondary defender but he also was the only defender to contest the shooter. Both the C and the L have a clear look - the only player who could've possibly gotten in the C's way was Black #11 and it doesn't appear as though he does.

Last but not least, the crash was in the C's primary. The L needs to let the C get that first. If there's no whistle make a call but at least give the guy a chance. By the same token the C needed to be ready to make that call. If he's looking ahead of the play, which he should've been since neither the initial dribbler nor the player who ended up with the ball had a defender on them for most of the play, he sees B1 and gets ready for what might happen.

One of my first thoughts watching the play was it was a two-person call made in a three-person game.

canuckrefguy Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870585)
While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

+1

But that C looks like he's jogging when the play develops. He needs a little more hustle on that play.


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