ESPN High school game Block Charge

[Camron Rust]

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

CR, I disagree. Yes, he's a secondary defender but he also was the only defender to contest the shooter. Both the C and the L have a clear look - the only player who could've possibly gotten in the C's way was Black #11 and it doesn't appear as though he does.

Last but not least, the crash was in the C's primary. The L needs to let the C get that first. If there's no whistle make a call but at least give the guy a chance. By the same token the C needed to be ready to make that call. If he's looking ahead of the play, which he should've been since neither the initial dribbler nor the player who ended up with the ball had a defender on them for most of the play, he sees B1 and gets ready for what might happen.

One of my first thoughts watching the play was it was a two-person call made in a three-person game.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.

+1

But that C looks like he's jogging when the play develops. He needs a little more hustle on that play.

[JRutledge]

I wonder do officials in many cases even know what "Referee the Defense" is? This was not even close.

Peace

[DLH17]

What's with those NBA issue officiating shirts?

[Welpe]

Those look like the shirts the state final officials in Texas have been wearing.

[VaTerp]

We use those shirts, or a similar one made by Smitty, for all of the high level AAU I do for one of my assignors. I actually like the fit and look of them much better than the traditional black and whites I have.

As for the call, I agree with some previous observations that in transition I think the L has just as good a look if not better than the C on this play. He should have been refereeing the defense and had an easy PC on this one.

Also, the C does seem to be too slow to accelerate at the beginning of the play but not sure if he caught up or not and what kind of angle he ended up with or if he had a whistle as well.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

That looked like a pretty easy player control foul to me! wonder if coach was going bonkers?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

That looked like a pretty easy player control foul to me! wonder if coach was going bonkers?

Don't they always?

[DLH17]

Not necessarily passing judgement with this statement: it looks as though the new L made the blocking call "on the run", whereas, the C seemed to be hustling to the play and was in the proper position. He was on the move too, but was moving in the same direction as the play. The L was moving towards the baseline while looking over his shoulder more or less to make the call.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Not necessarily passing judgement with this statement: it looks as though the new L made the blocking call "on the run", whereas, the C seemed to be hustling to the play and was in the proper position. He was on the move too, but was moving in the same direction as the play. The L was moving towards the baseline while looking over his shoulder more or less to make the call.

I don't get your point. A lot of us do this several times a game and have to make the decision to 1) make a call, 2) make the necessary position adjustments to keep from getting stacked or 3) don't make a call because it would be guessing.

Can we agree that it is possible to run to a position and see that a defender is standing in one spot? If so, even though the official was stacked, he should have see the offensive player go to and thru the defender. I look at this as not using sound play-calling mechanics: did the defender obtain LGP, was the defender in the offensive player's path, did the defender maintain LGP, etc.

Hey, we all get plays wrong and this one would surely be graded IC.

[JetMetFan]

Regarding who should have what on this play, here's the citation from the NFHS Officials' Manual on transition coverage:

3.3.5

C. Center Official
1. Center remains Center. (Really? They had to put this in print?)
2. Move with speed of ball and players, responsible for fouls and violations between top of circle in backcourt and top of circle in frontcourt.
3. Responsible if ball goes to the basket from your side.
4. On passes, normally stay with the passer.

I'm not too upset with the speed at which the C moved with the play. At the point of contact he was at the top of the FT circle which is within the range a C can cover when play is in the half court. Regardless, L shouldn't have been first whistle on this.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

You're correct. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.

Originally Posted by Toren

I'm very comfortable with the L making the call here. If you look at this entire play, he has one defender that will make this play difficult and it's the kid who attempts to take the charge.

The C doesn't have a better look than the L and I would say has a slightly worse look.

And yet, he still misss the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay, you win. His right foot is in the lane.

But 95% of his body is outside the lane, the play is coming from the C and the L misses the call.

He has no business blowing this play.



Then why did he miss the call?

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think his positioning has anything to do with missing this call. I think he did what a lot of people do, penalize the defense even when they do nothing wrong.

While that maybe true, 9x out of 10 when I see the L reach across the lane like this, he misses the call.