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Old Sat Jan 05, 2013, 11:38pm
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Montverde Fl vs. Simeon Il- about 2:10 left in the 3rd quarter. Can the magical person who can pull video from a hat and post it? The official had a block, I had an easy peasy PC.
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Old Sat Jan 05, 2013, 11:43pm
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I'm certain of one thing at this point. One of you was wrong.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 12:50am
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Agree that one of you was wrong...

.... and it sure as hell wasn't you!
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 07:54am
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Hopefully APG (or I) can post this play later but...

It was a PC. I watched the play four extra times to try to figure out what the Montverede defender did wrong and couldn't find anything.

For those who haven't seen it: Three-person crew and it was a transition situation. The L made the call. The defender was standing on the opposite lane line a little more than halfway up the lane when contact was made.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 12:54pm
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I've gotten into the habit of once a fast break is starting that, as the L, I start to zero in on the defenders and officiate the defense prior to the offensive player(s) getting there. "Coach, I saw it all the way."
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 08:48pm
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 08:51pm
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That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 08:53pm
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He must have thought the little hop lost B's previous LGP.

I've got a PC all the way.

Did the C call anything?
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 08:55pm
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That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call.
I watched it again to check location -- yup, that's one that the C has to get in transition.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 10:22pm
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Lead is pretty much straight-lined. When you reach across the lane from lead like that, this is the result.

This is a PC and not even close — not sure how anyone could even debate it (although I will not be surprised if someone does).

This is an easy, easy, easy call if you are watching the defense. Don't even understand how we can miss calls like this one. Get the easy ones because you are sure to miss a couple of the tough ones!!
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While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2013, 11:54pm
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That's what happens when the L reaches all the way outside the lane in front of the C = he misses the call.
Not only that, he had two fouls... one for each fist up.
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Old Mon Jan 07, 2013, 12:11am
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Not only that, he had two fouls... one for each fist up.
False double imo
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Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.
CR, I disagree. Yes, he's a secondary defender but he also was the only defender to contest the shooter. Both the C and the L have a clear look - the only player who could've possibly gotten in the C's way was Black #11 and it doesn't appear as though he does.

Last but not least, the crash was in the C's primary. The L needs to let the C get that first. If there's no whistle make a call but at least give the guy a chance. By the same token the C needed to be ready to make that call. If he's looking ahead of the play, which he should've been since neither the initial dribbler nor the player who ended up with the ball had a defender on them for most of the play, he sees B1 and gets ready for what might happen.

One of my first thoughts watching the play was it was a two-person call made in a three-person game.
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While I agree he missed it, the defender was actually in the lane (at least partially), not outside of it as some are suggesting.

Also The lead had no worse of an angle than the C....who was straightlined just as bad from the reverse angle. It was a secondary defender that came from within the lane and was the only defender the lead had to worry about while the C had another defender coming in with the shooter.

I don't know what he saw, but the lead had as good of a view as anyone on that play.
+1

But that C looks like he's jogging when the play develops. He needs a little more hustle on that play.
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