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Adam: Read NFHS R3-S2-A2c. Charge Team A with a TF. The TF counts towards Team A's seven and ten fouls for the second half. MTD, Sr.
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In the OP I don't think the scorekeeper had to change anything... except the stats for each team member involved....certainly not their numbers...they did that themselves when they switched jerseys. ...not saying it isn't a T...just not sure that specific rule covers it.
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ART. 1 A player shall not: Participate after changing his/her number without reporting it to the scorer and an official. PENALTY: (Art. 1) Flagrant foul. Penalized if discovered while being violated.
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So Smith is wearing number 21 and Jones is wearing number 33. But the book says Smith is wearing 33 and Jones is wearing 21?
But when the scorer puts points and fouls in the book, he does it based on his knowledge of the players...not the numbers they are wearing? That sure sounds like a book error to me. The only rule I know that covers this is 10-3-1, which is a flagrant player technical for participating after changing a number without reporting it to the scorer. That does not sound like what happened here. |
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I would say step one is to verify the team roster submitted to the scorer before the start of the game. If the book has what was submitted, then 10-3-1. If the scorer entered the info into the book wrong, then a bookkeeping error, no tech.
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In the OP Adam said: "The book has all the right players, but has the numbers for A1 and A2 switched. No one says anything (likely because they didn't know). After half time, the table calls you over to tell you that A1 and A2 have switched jerseys and are now wearing the correct numbers according to the book." When I made my OP it was 12:37amEST, it was obviously way past my bedtime, ![]() First, I would have some questions for the Scorer (this is not an all inclusive list but I think one could see that there are a number of questions that can be asked): 1) Were A1 and A2 wearing their normal jersey numbers and did you mistakenly transpose their numbers in the Scorebook? 2) Did you enter the correct numbers for A1 and A2 and did they decide to exchange jerseys without telling you? MTD, Sr. P.S. Let us just say that this could be, as they say in the Marine Corps, this could have been a "cluster ****".
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Mark, it's not a 10-3-1 issue unless they participate without informing the officials. The officials have been notified prior to them playing with the changed version.
Camron, what rule? The numbers haven't changed. Would you call a T if the switch was made right before the game started? I can understand spirit and intent here, but by the letter, what's the rule?
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Not trying to be argumentative at all...this is one that I simply don't get. And I honestly have no idea what the names of 99% of the players are anyway...so how would we even know unless the scorer told us they switched names? |
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Assuming their foul counts were different after one half.
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