Make The Call

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Casebook, Section 2, rosters starters and numbers
3-2-2

Team A properly submits its team member list and designates its five starters. However, the number for each team member is erroneously indicated. The error is not detected until after the game has started.

Rulling:
Only one team technical foul is charged regardless of the number of players and substitutes not wearing the number indicated in the scorebook. Each player must wear the number indicated in the scorebook or change the scorebook number to that which they are wearing. Any substitues who become players and require the changing of the number indicated for them in the scorebook will not result in a penalty as the one maximum technical has already been charge to the team for an administrative infraction.(10-1-1 Penalty)

This is what I am using. Unless they participate after switching the uniforms.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Switching jerseys to match the book is not allowable without penalty.

But back to Bob and Adam's recent question: What time frame permits us to penalize? Because this blanket statement is not wholly supported by the rule.

[Adam]

Mark, it's not a 10-3-1 issue unless they participate without informing the officials. The officials have been notified prior to them playing with the changed version.

Camron, what rule? The numbers haven't changed. Would you call a T if the switch was made right before the game started?

I can understand spirit and intent here, but by the letter, what's the rule?

[legend]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Nothing in the NFHS rules affect the eligibility of a player for a game other than the one currently being played. The state association may be a different story.

Sorry, Pennsylvania (PIAA) State adoption. Any player ejected from a game is gone for the remainder of that game, and must sit the next game also.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by OKREF

1. If your two players participate after changing jerseys, each will be given a flagrant T, and they are ejected.

"Disqualified." There's a difference.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Adam

I can't find one, if the change is to what the book already showed.

Exactly. That rule cannot apply here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Mark, it's not a 10-3-1 issue unless they participate without informing the officials. The officials have been notified prior to them playing with the changed version.

Camron, what rule? The numbers haven't changed. Would you call a T if the switch was made right before the game started?

I can understand spirit and intent here, but by the letter, what's the rule?

You can't dodge the rule by changing the "names" instead of changing the "numbers". The player are listed in the book. If the number attached to the name is not the number the player is wearing, then that number must be changed to what they are wearing. The name is the fixed element and the numbers listed must match what that person is wearing.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You can't dodge the rule by changing the "names" instead of changing the "numbers". The player are listed in the book. If the number attached to the name is not the number the player is wearing, then that number must be changed to what they are wearing. The name is the fixed element and the numbers listed must match what that person is wearing.

Except that the rule doesn't say anything about changing names...it prohibits changing numbers. If the numbers are not changed, just the names moved, how does that violate the rule?

Not trying to be argumentative at all...this is one that I simply don't get. And I honestly have no idea what the names of 99% of the players are anyway...so how would we even know unless the scorer told us they switched names?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You can't dodge the rule by changing the "names" instead of changing the "numbers". The player are listed in the book. If the number attached to the name is not the number the player is wearing, then that number must be changed to what they are wearing. The name is the fixed element and the numbers listed must match what that person is wearing.

But that's just it, by the time the officials were notified, the players were wearing the jersey numbers as the book listed them. IOW, no changes were made to anything except the stats.

Assuming their foul counts were different after one half.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Except that the rule doesn't say anything about changing names...it prohibits changing numbers. If the numbers are not changed, just the names moved, how does that violate the rule?

Not trying to be argumentative at all...this is one that I simply don't get. And I honestly have no idea what the names of 99% of the players are anyway...so how would we even know unless the scorer told us they switched names?

I'm not saying we would know who is who, but the rule says that if player XYZ is wearing 23 but is listed as 12, then the book has to be changed to show that XYZ is wearing 23. That is the whole point of the rule, to properly identify who is who by number. The whole structure of the roster rules define a list of names (the one thing that is absolute) that is labeled with the numbers they're wearing.