Local politics blues

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still waiting for the IM.

Sent it Friday.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I never said there was no "network" but that it, at least in Portland, doesn't operate to suppress people outside if it. It is more a circle of friends...and there are several of them. When you have 350 people, not everyone is going to be associating in the same circles.
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Or it could be they didn't play golf with the local big-time officials, or weren't on a certain softball team, or didn't go to school with certain people, or didn't work at a certain huge corporation, or didn't give the assignor assess to certain contracts.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You said something very interesting to me. First thing what is a "good schedule?" Is that not subjective? I know people that work nothing but varsity games and complain about the games they get or that they do not have enough "big games."

Secondly you said they were held back until it was proven they were too good to be held back. OK, did that not mean they proved they could work? Isn't that how it normally goes? And how did they prove they were pretty damn good? Did they go to camps, meetings, trainings or work in front of the right people? I do not read anything nefarious in your claims of not being in someone's circle. If anything, it seems how the individuals you are referencing got games or better games like everyone else I know.

Peace

Or it could be they didn't play golf with the local big-time officials, or weren't on a certain softball team, or didn't go to school with certain people, or didn't work at a certain huge corporation like other officials who never went to camps or work off-season ball or stay in shape.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Sent it Friday.

Never arrived...was it in this system's Private Message system?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Never arrived...was it in this system's Private Message system?

Pony express?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Or it could be they didn't play golf with the local big-time officials, or weren't on a certain softball team, or didn't go to school with certain people, or didn't work at a certain huge corporation like other officials who never went to camps or work off-season ball or stay in shape.

Anything is possible, but I know a lot of people that do none of those things and are fine in their careers.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Never arrived...was it in this system's Private Message system?

Yep...just resent about 2 minutes ago.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yep...just resent about 2 minutes ago.

Got it.

And, without mentioning names, every one of the people you mentioned are great officials....among the best.

I know two of them far better than the other two but I just don't, however, think they were held back at all by anyone. Of the two I know well, their rise to the top (and they really did get to the top) may not have been meteoric, but it was not sluggish either. They may have felt frustrated along the way when they didn't pop to the top right away, but they were passing people up along the way and rising faster than their peers.


As for the other two, one I had rarely heard of. He was, by all accounts once I did hear of him, fantastic, but if I never heard of him, how would he and his abilities expect to be known. And as for him being "not good enough for a tournament slot" the assignor here didn't have a say in those choices...it was by vote of his peers and coaches. If it is a vote system and no one knows who you are, how do you expect to get votes. He eventually did but I don't think you can put that on "the network".

Regarding someone else who worked no HS girls games going to a girls HS tourney over him...that, again, has nothing to do with the network. The assignor had no say in who got there. It was, again, by vote of all the peers and coaches in combination with the a tournament selection procedure driven by the vote results as specified in the bylaws. It wasn't a choice made by anyone (outside the voters), but the way things fell together. (The system has since been changed to address that issue).


And the other one was getting great games and was highly recognized as long I as knew them.

Simply put, all 4 of the people you mentioned were/are, as I see it, all ahead of me...some started well after me and passed me up along the way. My rise through organization was slower than theirs.

Yes, there were lessor officials getting better games than them. That will always be the case. The Portland system is just a slow moving system with people have to methodically work their way up proving themselves at each rung of the ladder. Once they get to their top level, they'll be happy they can stay there more than 2 weeks before someone else comes along to displace them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Anything is possible, but I know a lot of people that do none of those things and are fine in their careers.

Peace

Well it was a definite problem around here since my area only had one assignor for HS games for multiple decades. Our system is different than your system.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well it was a definite problem around here since my area only had one assignor for HS games for multiple decades. Our system is different than your system.

All systems are going to be different because you have different people running them. Never stated that it does not happen, but there are a lot of people that use excuses or act like they were wronged when others have been through the same process.

And often people that say they are wronged think there is some special procedures that they have to go through, rather than admitting they did not do everything they could normally to get to a certain point. Case in point the examples that Camron gave about the individuals that were identified to him.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

An interesting thread - because where I am, coaches have ZERO official input into game assignments, playoff or otherwise. Officials as a whole also have no official input.

For everything below the college level, local associations provide officials to various games, and the association sends the clients a bill. The client then pays the bill.

Certainly local assignors have an ongoing dialogue with coaches, AD's, etc., but playoff and provincial championship assignments are made by a committee of senior officials and/or local executive officers.

Our system must seem downright dictatorial to you folks

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

An interesting thread - because where I am, coaches have ZERO official input into game assignments, playoff or otherwise. Officials as a whole also have no official input.

For everything below the college level, local associations provide officials to various games, and the association sends the clients a bill. The client then pays the bill.

Certainly local assignors have an ongoing dialogue with coaches, AD's, etc., but playoff and provincial championship assignments are made by a committee of senior officials and/or local executive officers.

Our system must seem downright dictatorial to you folks,eh?

Fixed it for ya! No charge.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

An interesting thread - because where I am, coaches have ZERO official input into game assignments, playoff or otherwise. Officials as a whole also have no official input.

For everything below the college level, local associations provide officials to various games, and the association sends the clients a bill. The client then pays the bill.

Certainly local assignors have an ongoing dialogue with coaches, AD's, etc., but playoff and provincial championship assignments are made by a committee of senior officials and/or local executive officers.

Our system must seem downright dictatorial to you folks

You cannot say coaches have no input and then say the assignors talk to them. They might not be the decision makers, which is the way it should be, bu they still have input.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You cannot say coaches have no input and then say the assignors talk to them. They might not be the decision makers, which is the way it should be, bu they still have input.

Peace

Coaches talk to us during the game. Do they have input on your calls?

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You cannot say coaches have no input and then say the assignors talk to them. They might not be the decision makers, which is the way it should be, bu they still have input.

In the sense that if they want to call an assignor and make comments, they can - but very seldom does that have any appreciable effect on who gets what playoff games and where. And they certainly aren't casting votes or filling out ballots, or hiring officials directly like apparently happens where you folks are. That's the point I was trying to make.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Coaches talk to us during the game. Do they have input on your calls?

Input is one thing. Acting on that input is another. We all get a lot of the former - but the latter...?

Our system must seem downright dictatorial to you folks,eh?

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Fixed it for ya! No charge.

Eh, thanks...ya hoser