Discussing a call with your partner

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Who said Rocky wasn't about getting the call right? He's about trusting that your partner will know if there's a chance he got it wrong.

Instead of trusting your partner to approach you if he sees something, you're trusting your partner to ask you if he thinks he may have missed it.

Either approach works if done by people who truly want to get the plays right, so I don't understand the subtle animosity towards those who approach it differently.

I disagree, rockys approach is if they dont ask, I will not tell even if he has definitive info.
In my experiences, those who follow that mindset love to bring it up in the lockerroom, after the game when there is nothing you can do about it.

Others believe that they should provide the info & allow the calling official to decide what to do with the info.

When the boss asks about the questionable OOB call with 4 seconds left in a tied ballgame, I would like to be seen on film offering info as opposed to saying, "he didnt ask for help."
Because "he didnt ask for help" will lead to "did you see it?"
Thats just me...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

I disagree, rockys approach is if they dont ask, I will not tell even if he has definitive info.
In my experiences, those who follow that mindset love to bring it up in the lockerroom, after the game when there is nothing you can do about it.

Others believe that they should provide the info & allow the calling official to decide what to do with the info.

When the boss asks about the questionable OOB call with 4 seconds left in a tied ballgame, I would like to be seen on film offering info as opposed to saying, "he didnt ask for help."
Because "he didnt ask for help" will lead to "did you see it?"
Thats just me...

I believe Rocky's mindset is that on a bang-bang play (that's what we are talking about, not a clear tip that occurs outside the vision or PCA of the calling official) in front of one official that there is just as much a chance the long-distance official may have missed something.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I disagree, rockys approach is if they dont ask, I will not tell even if he has definitive info.
In my experiences, those who follow that mindset love to bring it up in the lockerroom, after the game when there is nothing you can do about it.

Others believe that they should provide the info & allow the calling official to decide what to do with the info.

When the boss asks about the questionable OOB call with 4 seconds left in a tied ballgame, I would like to be seen on film offering info as opposed to saying, "he didnt ask for help."
Because "he didnt ask for help" will lead to "did you see it?"
Thats just me...

Again, both systems only work when everyone involved wants to get it right. If I'm lead, and there's a play where I need help, I'll ask. Too many times, though, the T sees blue tip the ball and thinks it's white ball. What he misses, though, is that white hit it after. If T comes in on me there, I'm not changing.

I promise you, I'll ask if there's any chance I missed it. I will also, however, assume my partner is as conscientious as I am.

Obviously, things change if my partner is green or week, but all the rules go out in that case anyway.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Too many times, though, the T sees blue tip the ball and thinks it's white ball. What he misses, though, is that white hit it after. If T comes in on me there, I'm not changing.

Great! That is the calling officials option, at least the info was provided.
I know "some guys" that would never ask for help as they think their credibility would be lost
IMO, sticking with an IC & not even asking for help is worse.

Everybody wants to get plays right when we're talking in the lockerroom. Get out on the floor & people get sensitive.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Great! That is the calling officials option, at least the info was provided.
I know "some guys" that would never ask for help as they think their credibility would be lost
....

I let my partner(s) know in the pre-game to expect at least one "help" solicitation from me. I have no qualms at all asking for help.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Great! That is the calling officials option, at least the info was provided.
I know "some guys" that would never ask for help as they think their credibility would be lost
IMO, sticking with an IC & not even asking for help is worse.

Everybody wants to get plays right when we're talking in the lockerroom. Get out on the floor & people get sensitive.

I get what you're saying. While I agree it's frustrating to work with a sensitive partner, if he's that sensitive, approaching him isn't going to make a difference.

Personally, I think both approaches have merit. Both will work when everyone wants to get the plays right, and neither will work if any of the officials are overly territorial.

[tref]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

personally, i think both approaches have merit. Both will work when everyone wants to get the plays right, and neither will work if any of the officials are overly territorial.

+1