T-worthy or not?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

BNR and Jeff hit this on the head. Many T's (most, maybe) are not the result of a single action, but the accumulated actions of a player. We don't know, in a vacuum, if this kid had already been warned (possibly more than once) about the taunting. We don't know exactly why R called the earlier double-T, but the fact that they DID tells me there's a whole lot more going on than what is described in the article.

This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

[JugglingReferee]

I do like the mechanics that this official used.

[Rich]

I didn't mean to imply that I thought this guy was horrible or anything. But I'm not even certain he was really staring the guy down. In a situation like this, you'd really like a technical to call itself.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

... But I'm not even certain he was really staring the guy down. In a situation like this, you'd really like a technical to call itself.

You may be right Rich. But as with most plays like this it's hard to truly judge the official's actions without knowing all the variables that are in play. Could it be a bad 'T'? Sure. But I don't think we can judge its merits based solely on what we see in this video.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by truerookie

This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

He was back-pedaling by the time the whistle was blown but before that he pushed the ball to the ground and then stared at his opponent.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He was back-pedaling by the time the whistle was blown but before that he pushed the ball to the ground and then stared at his opponent.

BNR,

That very well could have been the case. A delay of game warning could have been an option.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

This maybe true. There could have been other situations leading up to this point.

It can also be assumed that the player was backpeddling to get into position on his team defensive posture and was looking to see where the ball is located. He was backpeddling!

And you do not see the reaction of the other player he dunked on. That might have made it clear what was going on.

Peace

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you do not see the reaction of the other player he dunked on. That might have made it clear what was going on.

Peace

The reaction I did see was two players attempting to get the ball after the dunk. A delay of game is my position.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

The reaction I did see was two players attempting to get the ball after the dunk. A delay of game is my position.

Yep, they were in the video the entire time. Oh and when the whistle was blown, I bet you could see them off the camera too.

Peace

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yep, they were in the video the entire time. Oh and when the whistle was blown, I bet you could see them off the camera too.

Peace

. No, I couldn't. Telling by their posture in retrieving the ball to continue play. I will say they didn't seemed phased by it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

. No, I couldn't. Telling by their posture in retrieving the ball to continue play. I will say they didn't seemed phased by it.

The whistle blew with only the "offender" in the video. So for you to say what they were phased by is kind of laughable.

Again, I have no problem if you feel this was not enough, but to then misrepresent what is actually in the video to fit what you wish would have happened. The opponents are mostly off camera a veteran should know that a lot of things are not what they seem on any video and certainly not a close shot of a play.

And as I said, most Ts are not called in a bubble. They are often called for previous actions that we might not know by a 10 second clip. We already know that this kid got a T for some altercation with another player. Then we have no idea what fouls looked like or what other trash talking took place. And maybe, just maybe, the official heard something.

I live by the statement, "I can defend a foul, I cannot defend a fight." A lot of subtle things take place that can lead to a fight.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Based on the limited info available to us I don't like the call AT ALL.

And I really don't like it coming from the C here who cannot see the kids face or eyes.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The whistle blew with only the "offender" in the video. So for you to say what they were phased by is kind of laughable.

Again, I have no problem if you feel this was not enough, but to then misrepresent what is actually in the video to fit what you wish would have happened. The opponents are mostly off camera a veteran should know that a lot of things are not what they seem on any video and certainly not a close shot of a play.

And as I said, most Ts are not called in a bubble. They are often called for previous actions that we might not know by a 10 second clip. We already know that this kid got a T for some altercation with another player. Then we have no idea what fouls looked like or what other trash talking took place. And maybe, just maybe, the official heard something.

I live by the statement, "I can defend a foul, I cannot defend a fight." A lot of subtle things take place that can lead to a fight.

Peace

Rutledge,
I don't believe I misrepresented anything. You imposed a situation. I went back to look at the video and I answered it.