T-worthy or not?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's the post that finally convinced me to put you on ignore. Long overdue...

LOL!!!

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by ref3808

While the official may not have spoken, I think it's a safe bet that the AJC reporter interviewed either coaches/AD or players to get the official explanation of the ejection. On the other hand, I know nothing of the AJC and their journalistic integrity. I would hope they fact check their stories and use multiple sources before going to press. On the other hand, maybe journalism has gone out the door as in so many other places.

That article says nothing about why the player was ejected. It just gives the coach whining about what he doesn't think his player did. So there is no verification of anything here...

Even if the coach had said something along the lines of "He (the referee) told me..." it still would not be verification of anything. Using what one aggrieved party claims someone else said is not verification.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That article says nothing about why the player was ejected. It just gives the coach whining about what he doesn't think his player did. So there is no verification of anything here...

Even if the coach had said something along the lines of "He (the referee) told me..." it still would not be verification of anything. Using what one aggrieved party claims someone else said is not verification.

Exactly. I had to file a report this year about a dispute with some events with a school (AD and Principal) and the coach clearly misrepresented to his AD what I said to him directly in an explanation about a kid that got a T that resulted in his 5th foul. They literally tried to explain it away by saying he said "freakin" to me directly instead of the other word that starts with the same letter. Not only did the coach ask me what happened, I told him word for word what his player said so that there would not be any confusion. And that was in a report to the state, not a newspaper or media member.

I tend to not trust anything a coach says when they are trying to justify behavior of their players and sometimes themselves.

Peace

[jdmara]

I hate how officials can jump to a conclusion that a call like this is right or wrong. There could have been a lot leading up to this incident and this pushed it over the end. Why question a fellow official? He is there for a reason.

-Josh

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I hate how officials can jump to a conclusion that a call like this is right or wrong. There could have been a lot leading up to this incident and this pushed it over the end. Why question a fellow official? He is there for a reason.

-Josh

Eh, I'm not a fan of the "striped wall." I despise it in other professions and there's no reason not to have a discussion to try to make us better officials.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Eh, I'm not a fan of the "striped wall." I despise it in other professions and there's no reason not to have a discussion to try to make us better officials.

I respect that, and would not defend officials blindly across the board... but hanging these guys out by assuming this is a bad call (or the two posts that would have liked to see the T from a different official ... ) is patently unfair - we weren't there, we have extremely minimal information AND some of the information we do have comes from an extremely biased source.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I respect that, and would not defend officials blindly across the board... but hanging these guys out by assuming this is a bad call (or the two posts that would have liked to see the T from a different official ... ) is patently unfair - we weren't there, we have extremely minimal information AND some of the information we do have comes from an extremely biased source.

As a state clinician and president of an association and board member of other groups, I do not like to look at things through a narrow point of view as well. There are a lot of good teaching points from this play and I would have asked the official several questions as to why they came to this conclusion. There answer would tell me more than what I thought I saw.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

From Wikipedia

In January 2007, Mayo allegedly assaulted referee Mike Lazo after being ejected from a Huntington High game vs. Capital High School at the Charleston Civic Center. According to West Virginia Secondary School Activities Commission rules, Mayo was suspended for two games. However, due to allegations supported by video evidence that Lazo had overreacted and faked the incident, a temporary restraining order was signed by Cabell County Circuit Court Judge Dan O'Hanlan, temporarily lifting the suspensions on Mayo and five other players suspended due to incidents at that game. However, shortly after, the restraining order was nullified and Mayo was suspended for three games, a punishment that Mayo described as "fair".

I wonder who edited the entry.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's the post that finally convinced me to put you on ignore. Long overdue...

You'll find yourself rolling your eyes less often.

[Toren]

You gotta wonder why this player was in the game to begin with? He had gotten one technical already and the game wasn't in doubt. Especially, if as some have suggested, considering he might have had a couple of questionable actions before the actual T was issued.

So either the coach thought his player could continue to push the limits or this was an isolated incident and the referee called a quick one.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by Toren

You gotta wonder why this player was in the game to begin with? He had gotten one technical already and the game wasn't in doubt. Especially, if as some have suggested, considering he might have had a couple of questionable actions before the actual T was issued.

So either the coach thought his player could continue to push the limits or this was an isolated incident and the referee called a quick one.

They were up 42-35 when the kid was tossed, with over 14 minutes remaining in the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ref3808

While the official may not have spoken, I think it's a safe bet that the AJC reporter interviewed either coaches/AD or players to get the official explanation of the ejection. On the other hand, I know nothing of the AJC and their journalistic integrity. I would hope they fact check their stories and use multiple sources before going to press. On the other hand, maybe journalism has gone out the door as in so many other places.

Reading the comments on the original AJC story provides some context, though it all has to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

If I did this properly this link is to the AJC story and not the Yahoo report that was linked previously.

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Since when are Players, Coaches, and ADs the experts on the Rules?

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Since when are Players, Coaches, and ADs the experts on the Rules?

MTD, Sr.

Since reporters could be counted on to get the facts straight before printing an article.